Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

More nonsense. You expect some claims to be refused and then overturned on appeal. The alternative is giving disability benefit to anyone who asks.

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

I know someone who went through the atos thingy.

He filled in the forms truthfully, then sat back and waited to be rejected, but a decision came back a few weeks later saying no action.

Mind, he is genuinely disabled.


Lots of lead swingers on the disability wagon.

hays just admit you dont have a clue how the system works.

Its the Decision Maker at the DSS who makes the decision on wether a claim is successfull or not.

It is quite clear that there needs to be a tougher line taken on all sorts of benefits. The history of disability benefits is that a helpful doctor would say that you needed the benefit and then you would get it forever. It is time to be more realistic. Like it or not, the new policy is popular withe public.

Nothing could be furher from the truth now. Your local GPs diagnosis is not enough these days. In fact its often just put to one side and not bothered with.

Claimants have to get at least 2 supportive letters/diagnosis and its the one from a specialist that is the one that counts. Its the one the decision maker will accept or reject and then the case would go to an appeal if rejected.

The claimant can then get further evidence from an idependant medical source and send it to the DSS where another Decision Maker (not the first one) will review the case and either award benefit ot still allow it to go to an appeal.

A much better system.

Well it certainly would be if I d Smith hadnt had a hand in informing ATOS certain targets had to be met each week by every individual working for them, which has directly led to thousands of claimants being assessed wrongly and ultmately going on for 500 suicides now.

Interesting comparisons for the prejudiced eyes.


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The increase is an embarrassing setback for David Cameron, who has repeatedly said he would crack down on benefit fraud.

• 'There is no debacle on Universal Credit': Iain Duncan Smith defends delays to flagship £2.4billion welfare overhaul

In opposition, his Conservative party attacked Labour for presiding over an ‘astounding’ £80 per second of fraud and error.

Benefit fraud rose by £100million to £1.2billion last year compared with 2011/12.

Overpayments due to errors by claimants and officials went up £200million to £2.3billion.

Matthew Sinclair, of the TaxPayers’ Alliance, said: ‘Shocking increases in fraud and error cannot be swept under the carpet and ignored.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2521452/110-second-lost-benefit-fraudsters-despite-Camerons-pledge-crack-people-cheat-system.html#ixzz2nGqzJFWg
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However!!!!!!

Unpaid taxes, fraud and error are costing Britain billions of pounds a year, Members of the British Parliament have warned.


Lawmakers said the annual losses amount to £55 billion, including the total tax gap and the cost of fraud to the public sector in the UK.

Britain's HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) calculated that the difference between the taxes it was supposed to receive and those it managed to collect in 2011-12 was £35 billion.

Moreover, the UK’s Treasury figures showed that some £13.2 billion had to be written off due to fraud and error between April 2011 and March 2012, but the National Fraud Authority (NFA) estimated the cost of fraud to the public sector to be £20.6 billion.

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The UK’s House of Commons Public Accounts Committee (PAC) described the scale of the losses as “worryingly high”.

British Labour MP Margaret Hodge, who chairs the committee, said, "It is staggering that, in one year, the public sector was defrauded of over £20bn and the tax gap rose to £35bn."


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I suppose it depends on who your neighbours are!

Good point Fred tax fraud is way way higher than benefit fraud.

Care to comment on that Hays?.

Only in America ---------- it beggars belief.


'Our DAD gave us matching boob jobs!' Sisters making the most of cosmetic surgeon father's skills (they've also had Botox, nose jobs AND a belly button tuck)
Brittani had breast surgery as a gift from her father for her 18th birthday
The 25-year-old went from an A cup to C
She had rhinoplasty - the bridge of nose was narrowed - on 21st birthday

Sister Charm, 25, had breast enhancement this year, going from 32B to 32C

Had her protruding belly button re-shaped at age of ten
Both regularly have Botox and face peels adminstered by their father



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most assuredly must be true by manyfold, and (unlike fawlty) i do differentiate between legal avoidance and illegal evasion

"innocent" football managers and overseas bank accounts spring immediately to mind as a good example in the public domain

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh cyners your alive. I was getting a bit concerned.

Saved me sending you an e-mail.

I was thinking of a card of condolence.

Suppose I will have to send it to myself.

8-(

away for a couple of days biz, so happily missed the usual blizzard of political handbag swinging here

One for Hays.......I said they were fiddling at ATOS earlier today I didnt realise they were fiddling at the DSS aswel.........................

Iain Duncan Smith confronts claims DWP staff given targets to stop benefits
Created on Thursday, 12 December 2013 08:55

IDS was confronted at the work and pensions select committee with claims that job centre staff are being handed targets to reduce the number of claimants by moving them off the register or ensuring that they have their benefit removed.

An anonymous whistleblower, a former job centre worker who was employed in the Greater Manchester area, told local Labour MP Debbie Abrahams and the Guardian that on one occasion the entire staff at a job centre were warned they would be disciplined unless they increased the number of claimants coming off the register, or raised the number threatened with the loss of their benefit entitlement.

The complainant's concerns were subsequently aired at the select committee by Abrahams, but in an interview before the work and pensions secretary's appearance, the former employee told the Guardian that the system of benefit sanctions is very subtle.

"They say to you that not enough people are coming off the claimant register and that if you do not get more people off the register you may be subject to an internal disciplinary assessment – a personal improvement plan.

"If you ask managers how many people you are supposed to get off the register, they say more and more continuously. It is your job to make the claimant's life difficult, they say. It creates a target culture."
The former employee also says that a Department of Work and Pensions internal whistleblowers system is not working.

Speaking to the Guardian, the whistleblower said: "I tried to raise these matters on many occasions both face-to-face and in writing with management, but each time I was rebuffed and my concerns ignored.

"But the truth is that benefit claimants are being deliberately set up to fail in order to achieve sanction quotas without regard for natural justice or their welfare. Staff are being asked to behave in a manner that is against the department's values of integrity and honesty."

The complainant also alleged that senior managers electronically altered a claimant's file to make it appear they had been told to attend the job centre the following day when no such notification had been given. Failure to attend a job centre interview is grounds for sanction.

The DWP has consistently denied that it gives job centres targets for applying sanctions to jobseekers, or discontinuing benefit.

After the whistleblower's concerns were raised at the hearing, Duncan Smith said he was prepared to look at any complaints, but accused his critics of moaning.

He said: "There are always one or two people operating in an organisation that have a different view." He said staff apply benefit sanctions within the rules and Neil Couling (DWP work services director) has looked at complaints in the past and on every occasion had no reason to doubt that people were operating properly.

He added that he was happy to meet the whistleblower, but that the complainant should meet Couling first.

Cyners ohhhh you know you love it here.

some bits are interesting or even fun, but totally numbed by the nonsense perpetuated by you guys and hays