dai oldenrich
- 20 Apr 2006 09:41
Xstrata is a major global diversified mining group. Xstrata maintains a meaningful position in six major international commodity markets: copper, coking coal, thermal coal, ferrochrome, vanadium and zinc, with additional exposures to gold, lead and silver. The Groups operations and projects span four continents and seven countries: Australia, South Africa, Spain, Germany, Argentina, Peru and the UK.

Red = 25 day moving average. Green = 200 day moving average.
SALES PER ACTIVITY (Data as of 31/12/2005)
Coal: 42%
Copper: 25%
Zinc: 18%
Chrome: 10%
Vanadium: 4%
Others: 1%
Toya
- 20 Jan 2008 18:59
- 34 of 224
In the Sunday Times today, almost as a footnote to article re BLT and RIO:
"Meanwhile, Companhia Vale de Rio has started due diligence on a potential bid for Xstrata."
cynic
- 20 Jan 2008 19:11
- 35 of 224
just hope it's not some depraved individual indulging himself with lascivious thoughts on how to make himself millions when everyone dives in
actually both XTA and RIO could/should make interesting punts for the early birds
Toya
- 20 Jan 2008 19:20
- 36 of 224
More likely a salacious individual not wishing to deprive herself of the rewards she may reap from having already plunged in
cynic
- 20 Jan 2008 19:27
- 37 of 224
totally scandalous ... most depraved behaviour that ill-becomes a gentlewoman
cynic
- 21 Jan 2008 08:16
- 38 of 224
so Ms Toya, did you catch all those blokes with their knickers down? ...... i confess to being amazed that XTA opened on such a down note .... guess it's because the chinese are playing hardball re iron ore prices, or at least i can think of no other reason.
anyway, have just bought in fairly modestly at 3209, as the fall looks unwarranted and if the much-touted bid does materialise, it will surely be at a much higher price than currently enjoyed (perhaps an interesting choice of word!)
Toya
- 21 Jan 2008 10:43
- 39 of 224
XTA briefly touched 3500 this morning, now still above 3400 so you and I both in profit Cynic - enjoy it while we may!
Toya
- 21 Jan 2008 10:49
- 40 of 224
HARRYCAT
- 21 Jan 2008 11:00
- 41 of 224
Cor, cynic. Hope you were watching your screen. Could have made 5% this morning, but now heading in to negative territory.
cynic
- 21 Jan 2008 14:24
- 42 of 224
thought of taking a very juicy instant profit before i left the office for 3-4 hours but determined, perhaps wrongly against it ..... however, i invested fairly cautiously and at what looks a good price so am still in the money
HARRYCAT
- 21 Jan 2008 15:41
- 43 of 224
SAO PAULO, Brazil (AP) -- Brazilian miner Vale said Monday it is in talks that could lead to a purchase of Swiss mining company Xstrata PLC, and two leading Brazilian newspapers reported the price could go as high as $90 billion.
Companhia Vale do Rio Doce SA, the planet's biggest producer of iron ore, the raw ingredient in steel, said it has been "maintaining a dialogue" with the Swiss miner but that no deal has been reached.
Vale also said it is analyzing several other options involving mining assets, but it did not specify them and said "these negotiations did not generate any concrete results yet."
cynic
- 21 Jan 2008 16:08
- 44 of 224
any idea what $90b would mean per share?
that said, everything quoted is pure hypothesis and suitably hedged accordingly
Toya
- 21 Jan 2008 20:37
- 45 of 224
According to an RNS of 12 December 2007, the no. of shares in issue is: 971,666,920
Times Online cites 971.67 million shares, giving a market cap of 32,677.16m
Highest figure I'd heard previously was for an offer of 42-45 per share. That would equate to a total value of, say: 42 x 971.67mln = 40,810,000,000.
So the $90b would be in that range of 42-45 per share (I think!?)
cynic
- 21 Jan 2008 21:07
- 46 of 224
i'ld settle for an offer of 40 quid and be happy to exit around 38
HARRYCAT
- 21 Jan 2008 22:25
- 47 of 224
Anglo Am are possibly going to bid 35b.
Market cap is roughly 31b (as Toya says).
I would say that equates to nearer 36 per share, but with a bidding war, who knows?
Toya
- 22 Jan 2008 07:32
- 48 of 224
Vale have issued an RNS today to officially confirm that they are in talks
RNS re Vale in talks with XTA
cynic
- 22 Jan 2008 07:58
- 49 of 224
Q is whether or not Vale or anyone else reckons now is the time to start a t/o ...... i guess the predator always intended an offer with a good cash element, then something may yet emerge
Toya
- 22 Jan 2008 09:17
- 50 of 224
Whatever Vale might say, now would actually seem quite a good time as they might be able to do a deal at a lower price than when the markets are whizzing along.
cynic
- 22 Jan 2008 09:24
- 51 of 224
good morning little temptress .... r u trying to inveigle us all into buying now? ...... actually, have heard worse ideas ...... could have done so a lot cheaper earlier this morning, for sp now virtually back to last night's close ...... whether it will stay firm is anyone's guess
Toya
- 22 Jan 2008 09:34
- 52 of 224
Good morning mon petit choux: the way things are going, it would indeed be very tempting to buy more XTA at below 30. Chart was heading in the right direction earlier but not so good now.
cynic
- 22 Jan 2008 10:05
- 53 of 224
bonjour a toi aussi mon amour ..... j'espere que tout va bien chez toi ..... meanwhile, you ain't got a hope in hell (for the mo) of buying sub 30 as currently 3160
PS or does "mon amour" make you a bloke?