Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Nah.

Manuel, another brandy please.

"Question Time "on BBC tonight as been changed , its being broadcast from South Africa. I was looking foreward to watching it , turned it off. The coverage of Manela is way over the top by the BBC.. Am more concerned about this country,bloody BBC left winger's running the BBC, how much tax payers money as been spent on flying out all those personel to Africa.

Is there a troll lurking around here somewhere?

An Internet “troll” is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He (and it is usually he) tries to start arguments and upset people. Anyone can be a troll, and can take all manner of Identities all of which are faked. From impersonating real people or made up fantasy names. The trolls main targets are groups/pages or forums which are dedications or have emotional content ; such as memorial pages or those that contain anti-child abuse awareness. Trolls can be of any age/race or gender.

Opponents of trolls might characterise it as the internet equivalent of road rage, vandalising a grave, or kicking a man when he’s down.

Trolling is a phenomenon that has swept across websites in recent years. Online forums, Facebook pages and newspaper comment forms are bombarded with insults, provocations or threats. Supporters argue it’s about humour, mischief and freedom of speech. But for many the ferocity and personal nature of the abuse verges on hate speech.

Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don’t “get” that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their ‘achievement’ (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.

Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.

Posted on a memorial site to a man who died

When trolls are ignored they step up their attacks, desperately seeking the attention they crave. Their messages become more and more foul, and they post ever more of them. Alternatively, they may protest that their right to free speech is being curtailed. A troll’s goal is to make users angry, emotional and by responding to their posts, you are “feeding the troll”. Almost all trolls will hide behind a fake profile or persona. Their identity is hidden therefore allowing complete anonymity.

Trolling is a game about identity deception, albeit one that is played without the consent of most of the players. The troll attempts to pass as a legitimate participant, sharing the group’s common interests and concerns; the newsgroups members, if they are cognizant of trolls and other identity deceptions, attempt to both distinguish real from trolling postings, and upon judging a poster a troll, make the offending poster leave the group.

Posted on a memorial site to a teenage girl who died

Their success at the former depends on how well they – and the troll – understand identity cues; their success at the latter depends on whether the troll’s enjoyment is sufficiently diminished or outweighed by the costs imposed by the group. Trolls can be costly in several ways. A troll can disrupt the discussion on a newsgroup, disseminate bad advice, and damage the feeling of trust in the newsgroup community.

Furthermore, in a group that has become sensitized to trolling – where the rate of deception is high – many honestly naïve questions may be quickly rejected as trollings. This can be quite off-putting to the new user who upon venturing a first posting is immediately bombarded with angry accusations. Even if the accusation is unfounded
I believe that most trolls are sad people, living their lonely lives vicariously through those they see as strong and successful.

Disrupting a stable group/page or forum gives the illusion of power, just as for a few, stalking a strong person allows them to think they are strong, too.
For trolls, any response is ‘recognition’; they are unable to distinguish between irritation and admiration; their ego grows directly in proportion to the response, regardless of the form or content of that response.

Trolls, rather surprisingly, dispute this, claiming that it’s a game or joke; this merely confirms the diagnosis; how sad do you have to be to find such mind-numbingly trivial timewasting to be funny?

Remember that trolls are cowards; they’ll usually post just enough to get an argument going, then sit back and count the responses
The admins of groups/pages or forums may not be able to delete a troll’s messages right away, but their job is made much harder if they also have to read numerous replies to trolls. They are also forced to decide whether or not to delete posts from well-meaning folks which have the unintended effect of encouraging the troll.

Some admins of groups/pages or forums have to endure conscientious users telling them that they are “acting like dictators” and should never delete a single message. These people may be misinformed: they may have arrived at their opinion about a troll based on the messages they see, never realizing that the webmaster has already deleted his most horrific material.

An example of a troll who was jailed in September 2011
An internet ‘troll’ who posted vile abuse on Facebook memorial sites dedicated to dead children was jailed.

Sean Duffy caused ‘untold distress’ by mocking a 15-year-old schoolgirl who committed suicide, leaving obscene messages and videos on a condolence page set up by her family.

The 25-year-old – the son of a BBC comedy writer who worked with Terry Wogan – also hijacked tribute websites of three other children he had never met. In one of the first cases of its kind, the autistic loner was sentenced to 18 weeks behind bars and banned from using social networking sites for five years.
October 2010 - Jade Goody website ‘troll’ from Manchester jailed

An “internet troll” who posted obscene messages on Facebook sites set up in memory of dead people has been jailed.
Colm Coss, of Ardwick, Manchester, posted on a memorial page for Big Brother star Jade Goody and a tribute site to John Paul Massey, a Liverpool boy mauled to death by a dog. The 36-year-old “preyed on bereaved families” for his “own pleasure”, Manchester Magistrates Court heard.
He was jailed for 18 weeks for sending “malicious communications”. The posts included comments claiming he had sex with the victims’ dead bodies

No Imagination - Most are frighteningly obvious; sexist comments on nurses’ groups, blasphemy on religious groups .. I kid you not.
Pedantic in the Extreme - Many trolls’ preparation is so thorough, that while they waste time, they appear so ludicrous from the start that they elicit sympathetic mail – the danger is that once the group takes sides, the damage is done.

False Identity - Because they are cowards, trolls virtually never write over their own name, and often reveal their trolliness (and lack of imagination) in the chosen ID. As so many people these days use false ID, this is not a strong indicator on its own!
Crossposting - Any post that is crossposted to several groups should be viewed as suspicious, particularly if unrelated or of opposing perspective. Why would someone do that?

Off-topic posting - Often genuine errors, but, if from an ‘outsider’ they deserve matter-of-fact response; if genuine, a brief apposite response is simply netiquette; if it’s a troll post, you have denied it its reward.
Repetition of a question or statement is either a troll – or a pedant; either way, treatment as a troll is effective.

Missing The Point - Trolls rarely answer a direct question – they cannot, if asked to justify their twaddle – so they develop a fine line in missing the point.
Thick or Sad - Trolls are usually sad, lonely people, with few social skills; they rarely make what most people would consider intelligent conversation. However, they frequently have an obsession with their IQ and feel the need to tell everyone. This is so frequent, that it is diagnostic! Somewhere on the web there must be an Intelligence Test for Trolls - rigged to always say “above 150″

No Trolls on this thread samsun.

Its monitored by management most of the time Ian (management) declared a few months back.

You need to look elsewhere.

You sure GF? wink :O)

Most certainly Chris. Lovely bunch of lads on here. I wonder where TANKER is.

Nasty comments earlier about Aberdeen, get some toffees thrown at cynic.

Call Me Dave in full blown panic mode now!



EU migrants face 100 new questions to make it harder to obtain benefits

The new habitual residence test is being rushed out before transitional controls on Romanians and Bulgarians are lifted


Patrick Wintour


The Guardian, Friday 13 December 2013



Romanians and Bulgarians protest outside Downing Street for equal education and benefit terms as other EU members. Photograph: Johnny Armstead/Demotix/Corbis


Income-related benefits such as housing benefit, income support and council tax benefit are to be harder for EU migrants to obtain from Friday as they face a string of 100 questions, including the reasons they were unable to find a job in their home country. They will also be asked about their ability to speak English.

The new 100 questions in the fresh habitual residence test is being rushed out ahead of the transitional controls on Romanians and Bulgarians being lifted on 1 January.

The European Union insists on the free movement of workers within the EU, but the government believes it is legally entitled to ask tougher questions of migrants before they are entitled to make benefit claims.

EU workers are already asked to prove they have been genuinely seeking work in the UK.

The DWP said that in "order to pass the improved habitual residence test migrants will have to answer more individually tailored questions, provide more detailed answers, and submit more evidence before they will be allowed to make a claim."

For the first time migrants will be quizzed about what efforts they have made to find work before coming to the UK and whether their English language skills will be a barrier to them finding employment.



More: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/13/eu-migrants-new-questions-benefits-romanians-bulgarians

But Cameron is seen to be acting.











Next comes the U-turn!

You have to ask why he left it to two weeks before the balloon goes up?

on the trolls business, I am on the side of Chris

It’s not always a matter of what someone says but how he or she says it.

The kicking a man when he’s down, is far too often seeing on this place

Best time to kick him. Lest chance of kicking back.

Update - Labour lead at 4
by YouGov in Politics
Fri December 13, 2013 6 a.m. GMT

Latest YouGov / The Sun results 12th December - Con 35%, Lab 39%, LD 9%, UKIP 11%;

Especially if it is a Cameroon!

8-)

No better off under Labour - poll

http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/national/news/10875149._/

samsun - interesting post (34021).

samsun, cant see where Chris says that?. Your not a mate of the poster ontherturn are you?.

Hays look at this.........

It will take time for UK to regain AAA rating, warns Fitch
Rating agency Fitch said "it was the right call" to downgrade Britain to AA+ earlier this year

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10514710/It-will-take-time-for-UK-to-regain-AAA-rating-warns-Fitch.html

We are still rated higher than almost all of EU.

France has a socialist government and is lower at AA as is Belgium. Italy is BBB, Spain is BBB- and Ireland is BBB+.

Just out. labour 60 to 70 seats majority. Whats 10 seats or so when you have an outright majority.........silch.

electionista ‏@electionista 1h
UK - Populus poll: CON 33%, LAB 38%, LDEM 13%, UKIP 9%