Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

good to see my sensible question drawing imbecile answers

You don't like the (obvious) answers, so they are designated imbecile.


ok, whats your solution?

Update - Labour lead at 6
by YouGov in Politics
Sun December 15, 2013 6 a.m. GMT

Latest YouGov / Sunday Times results 13th December - Con 32%, Lab 38%, LD 9%, UKIP 13%;

i think all parties have belatedly woken up to the fact that (a) the country can't and no longer wishes to afford open-door immigration and (b) that the public is totally fed up with the results of that policy

i think that the present crew - labour seems strangely quiet on the issue and ukip is too nationalistic for comfort - have a genuine wish and intent to limit immigration to acceptable (sensible) levels

my concern is, that as we are (still) part of eu, it may be very difficult indeed, or at best a protracted procedure for legal reasons, to reverse the status quo .... hence my question in the first place which you (and fawlty) have not addressed at all

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to state the obvious ..... if i had a (the) solution, then i wouldn't have needed to ask a question ... further, if there was a quick and simple solution, the i'm quite certain it would already have been implemented

MK.

Don't worry about Manuel's remarks, as can be seen he is full of ill-thought out egocentric opinions.

Quite a limited little fellow.

Be patient with him.

He is forgetting that his political master and mistress Cameron and Theresa have had the reins of power for 3 years and done nothing about the problems surrounding immigration.

Weak ineffectual government comes to mind.

As opposed to the Labour party that positively made things worse. Labour have admitted that they caused most of our immigration problems. The other day Milibland complained that the Conservatives hadn't solved various problems. Cameron replied that it was a case of Labour creating a huge mess over years and then complained that the Conservatives were taking so long to clear up Labour's mess.

typically, none of the above answers the question posed, but merely adopt the customary political posturing ......

come on then, you lot, what would YOU do and how would you implement your solution and how quickly? ..... and as a supplementary, if your solution would run contrary to various european or even (inter)national laws, how would you resolve that aspect, bearing in mind that "time is of the essence"?

Hays,

Once again I have to remind you that the way the con party got in was by preaching that they had the solution to everything and could walk on water. It seems they were recovering from weeding at the time.

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Cynic,.

There is no simple solution and the way other than negotiation with other members of the EU to modify the rules.

I think Cameron should stop pouncing on the stage, learn a little humility and negotiate quietly and stop trying to get word bites for the rampant right of his party and to appeal to the far right he may be a little more successful.

Somehow, or other, I don't think there will be the massive inflows into the UK which some are suggesting.

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As a side, what surprised me when I was in Paris is what a Rainbow society it has become over the years.

Good or bad? Don't know, but it is a beautiful city whose wealth was based on it past colonisation of the still underdeveloped nations. Similar to the UK.

What Cameron is doing is the only policy that can work under current EU legislation. That is that new rules will mean the tightening up of the criteria for getting benefits by having language requirements and other requirements that look at the chances of gaining employment.

One of the UK's biggest draws is the excellent levels of benefits and the ease of getting them. If we can change that perception then we may not be such a favoured destination for migrants.

The more general problems regarding overloading our services and jobs going to immigrants are far more difficult to solve while in the EU.

It is a bit rich for the 'lefties' to complain when once again about problems that they mainly caused.

READ THIS FRED - LABOUR ARE NO BETTER. IT WOULD BE SO GOOD TO BALANCE YOUR VIEWS UP, AS THEY ARE ALL AS BAD AS ONE ANOTHER.


By Jeff Randall, Sky News Business Presenter

Since Ed Miliband became leader, the Labour Party has tried to reformulate its stance on immigration.

The new approach contains an admission that the last government "got it wrong", largely because it did not listen to the people's concerns, in particular those of Labour supporters such as Gillian Duffy, who was dismissed by Gordon Brown as a "bigoted woman" simply for airing her anxieties.

That ghastly moment grabbed the headlines, but the flaw in the Blair-Brown immigration policy was far more fundamental than the casual traducing of a Rochdale voter who dared to challenge an angst-ridden Prime Minister.

From 2002 to 2010, Labour opened the United Kingdom's doors to more than 500,000 legal incomers a year.

At the same time, it launched a propaganda offensive to persuade us that immigration on this scale would not only make us all better off, because it expanded national output by £6bn a year, but also help solve our long-term pensions crisis, because diligent newcomers would pay into the nation's retirement pot, which an ageing indigenous population was rapidly exhausting.

These were fallacies masquerading as serious politics. Neither element was true, as a House of Lords report, The Economic Impact of Immigration, made clear in 2008. Its conclusion was, in effect, the British public had been sold a false prospectus.

Gillian Duffy
Gordon Brown insulted concerned voter Gillian Duffy in Rochdale

Yes, mass immigration increases GDP, but not GDP per head, because the expanded cake has to be shared amongst many more people.

As for pensions, the arrival of half a million overseas workers a year merely delays the day of reckoning, because they too will grow old and need retirement care. Expecting ever greater numbers of immigrants to keep the system in credit is to have faith in a Ponzi scheme.

That's not to say immigration changes nothing. For the employer class, it provides a ready supply of child-minders, cleaners and plumbers who are grateful for a job and prepared to work for the minimum wage. Life for the rich improves.

But, as Cambridge University economist Professor Robert Rowthorn points out: "It does not benefit indigenous, unskilled Britons who have to compete with immigrants willing to work hard for very low wages in unpleasant conditions."

What's more, British companies have little incentive to train domestic workers if they able to import foreign staff with higher skills and a stronger work ethic.

Sadly all the conservatives can do is try and sort the mess (yes total mess) labour has caused. So do your homework and don't keep going on about the conservatives.
If you care to put into your computer labours history of immigration, pages come up and it all boils down to a shambles by labour. So if labour supporters will not record this I will.

It is the same left wing agenda that has Labour seeking a more integrated federal EU with less sovereignty for members and central control. In the longer term there is no point in the UK being a member of the EU if we don't adopt the Euro.

DC - Commendable that you answer these Red Flag Flyers, but really I see no point GF is as fickle as the football team he supports, I ask you, not content in backing Labour just in case he is a member of the local Conservative,Lib Dem and Labour Clubs. If Man Utd don't improve he and his mates are giving up their box at Old Trafford, (no doubt try and get one at Man City) :O) As for Fred? He's just a Prick!

There is no simple solution and the way other than negotiation with other members of the EU to modify the rules
the above is the one bit of sense in fawlty's post
and of course that there is no simple solution says it all.
heavy-handed unilateral action would almost inevitably create more of a morass than already exists
unfortunately, the alternative of negotiating with (all) the other eu states is likely to be similarly unproductive as they will (correctly) see only negative results for themselves, and at the very least will ensure that any negotiations are protracted for the next 10 years

on balance, i think at least some form of unilateral action will be required
it won't be as draconian as perhaps would be the ideal
however, i'ld guess there are certain restrictive actions and practices that uk could impose that will make it very difficult for the rest of the eu to challenge in court, and if they choose to do so, then that action will also take many years to conclude

Lol. Yep their managers going to get the sack. Especially when he spends millions on the transfer list in Jan,with no improvement to the team play. Never the right man for the job .

He is as far as Evertonians are concerned DC, thank you Sir Alex :O)

DC,

The CON Party before they came to "power" had all the solutions but it can be seen to increasing the shambles they will leave behind every day.

The only thing saving them at the moment is low “interest rates” the deficit will increase once again and the debt level become more rampant.

Cloud cuckoo economics.


Look at the successes of Cameron, Osborn, Lansley, IDS and May.

1) NHS falling apart after crazy expensive reorganisation. Failing to provide what is required, spiralling costs and alienation of working staff.
2) IDS Welfare service failing, wasting money on “bright ideas” and not defining tasks that programming is suppose to have as goals. Chaos
3) May, more holes in immigration and borders now than previously. Alienation of staff.
4) Fragmentation of society and racist propaganda to placate the Right side of the Con artists party.
5) Alienation of many in Europe who should be allies in negotiation in Europe.
6) Mind they are shrinking the Arm forces and have carriers in moth balls for future scrap metal.
7) Developing ability to sell of the country’s silver at below market value.
8) Propping up the housing bubble again and transferring risk from the private purse to the public's. (Good tory policy.)

Economy, check the figures, carefully.

A clap trap of a government, which to my mind led by Con Men.

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You are talking rubbish Fred. I give up. :-)) Again people do not trust the Labour party. I cannot see for one minute why. lol

as always, fawlty is all mouth and trousers, and nothing else