Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Peter O'Toole dead 81

Half the UK’s exports now go outside the EU and trade with China, India and the US is soaring.

That is why Europe needs Britain: not as an offshore center of banking and commerce, but as a difficult, questioning, stubbornly democratic partner.

The reality is that trade with the UK will continue as before if we leave. The UK is the EU's biggest trading partner inside the EU for their exports.

We have survived outside the euro. Will it make much difference if we leave Eu ?

Paperwork, stupid regulations, Brussels, ECHR to name but a few.

Cynic,

You must be deaf as well as daft.


IF, IF the UK exits the EU wait and see.

Even the Cameroon doesn't wish to leave the EU, that is why he is dodging and diving with UKIP nipping his heels.

To outsiders it is laughable.

And nearly forgot... a cool £1 billion per week net contribution so the €uroclowns can piss it up the wall.

Read an article the other day - Europe is Britain

These people have no sense of history – or don't read newspapers. Ever since it joined what was then the EEC in 1973, Britain has fashioned Europe in its own image. It achieved two principal objectives. The first was to improve the single market, set into train in the mid-1980s. The second, after the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989, was to fight in favour of a wider union.

UK and the EU: Better off out or in?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20448450

The UK's involvement in the EU is set on collision course at some stage if we stay in. There is a roller coaster of a trend towards federalism. The Germans want it as do the French and others. If the Euro is to survive then there has to be more central control of fiscal policy, budgets and debt. The alternative is that car crashes like Greece will happen again. That being the case we are heading for confrontation. It may come in 5 years or 10.

If we stay in the EU it will be difficult to avoid federalism and loss of sovereignty. The Labour party seems to like it, but the Conservatives don't. As our governments change in the future between these two parties the strains will tell.

34132 - even more tripe than usual from the usual source .... i think fawlty is trying to tell me that i (and most others) don't listen to him .... now why would that be i wonder?

for the more intelligent, may i recommend reading the article in today's ST about germany and its economy and also that of other eu states

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and if you think the rest of europe is sanguine about the impending influx of "poor neighbours" from bulgaria and romania, then ask the germans, danes, austrians, french and dutch ..... long article on same ex reuters reporter to be found on yahoo finance section

That's the problem summed up in a nutshell c, the powers that be aint asking anyone for their opinion.

This thread should be renamed "The Latest Scaremongering from the Daily Mail".

stan - which bit's from the Mail? ..... none of mine, for sure

Anth2305

Aim to live in social housing, piss any savings you have against the wall, problem solved.



Not that you load of trogs will read it:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10519511/Pensioners-face-carebill-of-150000.html

Dave Camoron ‏@EtonOldBoys
Thousands of Dyslexic South Africans have been leaving flowers and wreaths outside Nissan Main Dealers in Johannesburg

Could represent torrids, UKIPS and BNP mentalities.

Manuel,

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Let's rethink the idea of the state: it must be a catalyst for big, bold ideas
As George Osborne envisages a smaller state, economist Mariana Mazzucato argues instead that a programme of forward-thinking public spending is crucial for a creative, prosperous society. We must stop seeing the state as a malign influence or a waste of taxpayers' money


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I know this article has words of more than two syllables and some long sentences, but it might interest you to read a view based on greed of the race rather than the individual.

Take a risk, read it and then apply the constructs to other areas and then disagree.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/15/george-osborne-public-spending-taxpayers-money

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/15/george-osborne-public-spending-taxpayers-money




http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/15/george-osborne-public-spending-taxpayers-money