Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Read an article the other day - Europe is Britain

These people have no sense of history – or don't read newspapers. Ever since it joined what was then the EEC in 1973, Britain has fashioned Europe in its own image. It achieved two principal objectives. The first was to improve the single market, set into train in the mid-1980s. The second, after the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989, was to fight in favour of a wider union.

UK and the EU: Better off out or in?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20448450

The UK's involvement in the EU is set on collision course at some stage if we stay in. There is a roller coaster of a trend towards federalism. The Germans want it as do the French and others. If the Euro is to survive then there has to be more central control of fiscal policy, budgets and debt. The alternative is that car crashes like Greece will happen again. That being the case we are heading for confrontation. It may come in 5 years or 10.

If we stay in the EU it will be difficult to avoid federalism and loss of sovereignty. The Labour party seems to like it, but the Conservatives don't. As our governments change in the future between these two parties the strains will tell.

34132 - even more tripe than usual from the usual source .... i think fawlty is trying to tell me that i (and most others) don't listen to him .... now why would that be i wonder?

for the more intelligent, may i recommend reading the article in today's ST about germany and its economy and also that of other eu states

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and if you think the rest of europe is sanguine about the impending influx of "poor neighbours" from bulgaria and romania, then ask the germans, danes, austrians, french and dutch ..... long article on same ex reuters reporter to be found on yahoo finance section

That's the problem summed up in a nutshell c, the powers that be aint asking anyone for their opinion.

This thread should be renamed "The Latest Scaremongering from the Daily Mail".

stan - which bit's from the Mail? ..... none of mine, for sure

Anth2305

Aim to live in social housing, piss any savings you have against the wall, problem solved.



Not that you load of trogs will read it:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10519511/Pensioners-face-carebill-of-150000.html

Dave Camoron ‏@EtonOldBoys
Thousands of Dyslexic South Africans have been leaving flowers and wreaths outside Nissan Main Dealers in Johannesburg

Could represent torrids, UKIPS and BNP mentalities.

Manuel,

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Let's rethink the idea of the state: it must be a catalyst for big, bold ideas
As George Osborne envisages a smaller state, economist Mariana Mazzucato argues instead that a programme of forward-thinking public spending is crucial for a creative, prosperous society. We must stop seeing the state as a malign influence or a waste of taxpayers' money


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I know this article has words of more than two syllables and some long sentences, but it might interest you to read a view based on greed of the race rather than the individual.

Take a risk, read it and then apply the constructs to other areas and then disagree.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/15/george-osborne-public-spending-taxpayers-money

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/15/george-osborne-public-spending-taxpayers-money




http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/15/george-osborne-public-spending-taxpayers-money

Post 34143 - is that supposed to be funny?

34146 - well, that's her view and she's welcome to it, but equally i do not have to subscribe ..... interestingly and quite amusingly, the link you gave looks to be a dud

btw, does this women cost and then explain how she is going to fund all her wondrous extra public spending, or is it just airy-fairy stuff from ivory-towered academia?

Try not limiting your imagination.


Apologies, forgot who I was addressing.

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so am i meant to imagine what this woman wrote .... or can't you read?

cynic
You are right to doubt this woman. She is just plugging her book just out. Here is comment on her book and ideas.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/12/15/the-intellectual-hole-at-the-heart-of-mariana-mazzucatos-entrepreneurial-state/

From the comment section: Sums it up.



LamToro KSurin

15 December 2013 2:09pm



But the public sector is a malign influence.

Big budgets and no accountability account for the decline in educational standards, the tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths in the NHS, the scandalous waste on IT projects in the public sector.

Here is a comment about her book by a reader

Lol, is this the work of a moron or practical joke? She either doesn't understand economics (strange for an economist) or is a massive joker. F*ck knows. Blatant idiocy either way.