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THE TALK TO YOURSELF THREAD. (NOWT)     

goldfinger - 09 Jun 2005 12:25

Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

goldfinger - 18 Dec 2013 15:59 - 34273 of 81564

electionista ‏@electionista
UK - YouGov/Sun poll: CON 33%, LAB 41%, LDEM 8%, UKIP 13%

goldfinger - 18 Dec 2013 16:00 - 34274 of 81564

Cyners what happens then??? Does it go very slow and time out?.

cynic - 18 Dec 2013 16:02 - 34275 of 81564

primarily slow, but it's hard to tell whether or not it's just the system ..... however, on occasion i have found that some things don't happily download via chrome, but perhaps that's when i'm in UAE

goldfinger - 18 Dec 2013 16:18 - 34276 of 81564

Right cheers I did notice a site or two opening slowly last night.

Haystack - 18 Dec 2013 16:35 - 34277 of 81564

Personal cases are a pointless thing to bring up at PMQs because they cannot be discussed and there is no evidence that the cases are even correct. Cameron easily won PMQs as usual.

We have the highest employment since 2009. Like it or not, the trend is towards large numbers of part time work. It is a function of technology deskilling jobs and supetceding jobs. There will never be full employment again under any party especially when there are too many people in the UK.

Fred1new - 18 Dec 2013 17:23 - 34278 of 81564

electionista ‏@electionista
UK - YuGov/Sun poll: CON 33%, LAB 41%, LDEM 8%, UKIP 13%

That is very interesting!!!!!! 8-) 8-)


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Hazyone,

If everybody was employed then unemployment would be zero.

Bloody marvellous.

But if all are working 1 hour a week then overall hours worked would be down.

Productivity is still down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

UK GDP is down.


This to me a falsification of data, which appears to be becoming more and more prevalent in "research and publications" to-day.

(The latter especially where funding comes from Private Purses and when Public funding is being chased.)


cynic - 18 Dec 2013 17:26 - 34279 of 81564

one more time ..... is the method(ology) the same today as it was a year ago? ..... if so, then to claim falsification just because you don't like the result or the picture painted is completely unjustified

Fred1new - 18 Dec 2013 17:34 - 34280 of 81564

GF.

If you find Chrome slowing down, have a look at its settings and "blockers" in various areas. (popup . pages blocked etc.)

Click the three bars top right of window.

Go into settings.


But if you decide to change settings and not use to doing so, change one setting at a time.

If it has wrong effect reverse it.

Generally changing makes sense.

Also, have a look at advance settings at bottom of the page.

If you bugger it.

Remove Chrome through control panel and then download and reinstall. Doesn't take long and doesn't alter stored data.


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Chrome does appear to have runs when upgrades temporarily mess itself, but is a nice package.

Fred1new - 18 Dec 2013 17:49 - 34281 of 81564

Cynic,

Presentation of data is a "falsification".

Somewhere, there should be figures for actual hours worked.

But explain related GDP. (Probably, an inadequate way of judging economic state.)

But what many are saying is that the "economic recovery" was delayed by Osborne's policies, partially due to his ineptitude and partially hoping for an economic boost at the time of the next GE. (I think he has mistimed it.)

Many who have similar opinions, believe in reductions, pruning and greater efficiency in the public service areas, as well as review of the Wealth Fare services, etc.. but this should thought out, done at a slower rate and not based on reactionary ideology for personal or party gain.

I think policies should be considered for a 25-30 year period for the whole country, not manipulated for political party advantage and dividing the nation into those who have more against those who have less and can have less.

cynic - 18 Dec 2013 20:10 - 34282 of 81564

has there ever been figure showing hours worked etc etc?
perhaps you'ld like to dream up and vote for another way so that stats can be manipulated to suit you

i also don't agree at all with the second issue you raise .... i think harsh medicine and quickly was by far the best way with the wishy-washy alternative just leading to longer and longer misery for all

your 4th para is of course just piffle with no relationship to any kind of reality in the real world whatsoever

but as you can't be bothered to vote, you and those of similar ilk have ended up with the the parliament and gov't deserved

Haystack - 18 Dec 2013 20:23 - 34283 of 81564

Hours worked would not be sensible. Some people work long hours, some like part time work, in most cases hours are not revealed or accounted for. When I employed quite a few people, figures were never collected by anyone regarding how many hours my staff worked or if they were part time or full time. Even if the revenue asked for that data they would never get accurate figures. A lot employers would regard it as none of anyones's business.

MaxK - 18 Dec 2013 20:55 - 34284 of 81564

You need to work a certain amount of hours to support yourself, if you don't, the state has to wade in.

That's why the social bill keeps getting bigger, people are not doing/or cant do enough hours to support themselves/family.

It's not rocket science.

Haystack - 18 Dec 2013 21:45 - 34285 of 81564

The hours wouldn't tell you much. An individual may have a number of reasons for their hours. They may be the second earner in the family and just want a part time job. They may have health problems and not be able to work longer. Shop keepers are waking up to the use of part time workers for the busy times. With online shopping, many retailers cannot afford full time employees. Recessions are always used to cut costs and change the business models.

MaxK - 18 Dec 2013 21:54 - 34286 of 81564

jezzus, you would argue for the sake of it.

the peeps are not earning enough money to support themselves, for whatever reason.

that's why the social bill keeps getting higher.


What don't you understand about 2 + 2 = 5?

Haystack - 18 Dec 2013 22:25 - 34287 of 81564

People are not magically going to earn more money whoever is in power. We have been through a recession and living standards are bound to fall. If you want to see people who cannot support themselves then go to Greece, Spain or a number of countries that are much worse than the UK. Like it or not people are going to have to be patient and wait for the economy to improve. The figures suggest that living standards will improve towards the end of next year.

I certainly would not trust Labour in this situation. You may remember that Ed Balls said at the start of the coalition that there would be an increase of millions in the unemployment figures plus various predictions of doom and gloom and that there might be a double dip recession. Of course, he was wrong as usual in every part.

goldfinger - 18 Dec 2013 23:13 - 34288 of 81564

Hey Hays you keep on kidding like your boss Fat Dave and we'l believe you.........NOT.

Balls was right, part time zero hours are masking the true extent of unemployment in this country.

Labour are 80 seats in front of the tories, ask yourself why if things are so good.

MaxK - 18 Dec 2013 23:32 - 34289 of 81564

For a bit of balance.

Why did nu lab tip the wink to the money men that zero hour contracts were ok?


look back to 1998 or so, when the law was quietly changed. With the help of the tories and nu lib's.

Haystack - 19 Dec 2013 00:03 - 34290 of 81564

I am not sure where you get the 1998 date from as zero hour contracts have been around for many years before that. In fact I am not that there is any start date for it.

cynic - 19 Dec 2013 07:55 - 34291 of 81564

part-time working
while i admit that knowing the (average?) number of hours worked per capita would not be useless info, it should not be forgotten that many women (especially) genuinely wish to work only part-time, for all sorts of good reasons

zero hour contracts
i know it's a hard task, but no one has managed to explain to me why these contracts are regarded by some as being exploitative or similar
i know i've asked before, but what is the difference between these and (my fave!) courier drivers who are obliged by all employers (as far as i can determine) to work as self-employed?

goldfinger - 19 Dec 2013 08:02 - 34292 of 81564

Vince Cable says the figure of 1 million zero hour contracts may be under stated.!!!!!
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