cynic
- 20 Oct 2007 12:12
rather than pick out individual stocks to trade, it can often be worthwhile to trade the indices themselves, especially in times of high volatility.
for those so inclined, i attach below charts for FTSE and FTSE 250, though one might equally be tempted to trade Dow or S&P, which is significantly broader in its coverage, or even NASDAQ
for ease of reading, i have attached 1 year and 3 month charts in each instance
Strawbs
- 10 Nov 2008 14:15
- 3450 of 21973
Maybe. Once people go into their shell though they often take time to come out of it again. I think it's one of those genetic responses we all have. If you've been close to losing your home or your job, you probably won't be tempted to spend spare cash due to lower interest rates or tax cuts.
Encouraging people to spend more (probably on credit) is not a great idea, and 0% interest rates did nothing for a decade in Japan. Don't be surprised if we get there too, and suffer the same fate.
In my opinion.
Strawbs.
dealerdear
- 10 Nov 2008 16:00
- 3451 of 21973
I keep hearing people say we are going to have a bear rally for a few weeks.
As I see it the problem is that compared to the last few weeks the FTSE is relatively high already and a rally from here is going to put us over the 5000 mark.
The pull back this afternoon doesn't surprise me and I'm sure a lot of people have been burnt by it.
ptholden
- 10 Nov 2008 16:03
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Keep any eye on the DJ Futs gap at 8930. It's probably going to fill it and may find support.
amardev
- 10 Nov 2008 16:51
- 3453 of 21973
Dealerdear ..................... you're right there!
I well and truly got roasted.
Cheers
Amar
dealerdear
- 10 Nov 2008 18:45
- 3454 of 21973
Apologies!
I was tempted to buy but just wasn't convinced enough by the rally.
cynic
- 12 Nov 2008 11:12
- 3455 of 21973
so BoE is forecast to make further rate cuts in the near(ish) future ...... oh goody goody, but pretty much a fat lot of good that is when the banks will still not lend to each other and 3-month Libor is still about 1.3% above base rate, instead of a historical +/-0.4%
Falcothou
- 13 Nov 2008 17:27
- 3456 of 21973
We've had 3 bubbles this year(at least) gold+ other associated precious metals, oil, and now the US dollar. Bubbles near their popping point according to Kahn when they feature repeatedly in the front pages and become popular dinner conversation as Joe Bloggs starts to accept the premise. They always have a degree of logic and go well beyond any accepted rationale. The dollar seems to be off to the moon on the basis that it is the reserve currency of choice, interest rates can't be cut much lower, emerging market redemptions and probable significant fund speculation. We shall see. Some would argue that the US will come out of this mess before others and their leverage ratios were mildly more conservative than the 1:60 that some have created but there does seem to be a small question of massive cash injections epic trade deficits and possible de pegging. Never easy to call a top to the bubble but on the look out none the less! If it does reverse it could fire gold and oil off again!
cynic
- 13 Nov 2008 18:00
- 3457 of 21973
Dow down heavily again (7975)...... could be heading for 7800, even tonight uinless there is a smart about turn
Falcothou
- 13 Nov 2008 18:18
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Could be heading down to a new lower trading range 688 S&p 1030 nasdaq mentioned in live oscar
spitfire43
- 13 Nov 2008 18:38
- 3459 of 21973
Dow back up to 8143 and moving fast. But ftse held up well today when you look at the 5% drop in Dow and 6% drop in Nikki before the open.
Falcothou
- 13 Nov 2008 19:58
- 3460 of 21973
Seems to have rallied off 8000
Falcothou
- 13 Nov 2008 21:23
- 3461 of 21973
Probably the most ludicrous rally I have ever seen 1000 points in 2.5 hours ! Even the woke up from its Mervyn depression
HARRYCAT
- 13 Nov 2008 21:40
- 3462 of 21973
So the forecast for the FTSE tomorrow is....?
maddoctor
- 14 Nov 2008 10:40
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re these huge rallies or falls - the only explanation I can come up with is that the computer trading programmes are just playing follow my leader
Stan
- 14 Nov 2008 10:47
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Stay away?, you must be joking MD. Have a look at trading ISF on the up and XUKS for the down..I'll leave the timing to you -):
maddoctor
- 14 Nov 2008 10:50
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stan , just been on the traders thread and seen one of the guys has had his biggest win ever so I have modified what I have said. It must be just me but these 100s of points moves in minutes just scares the hell out of me.
cynic
- 14 Nov 2008 10:51
- 3466 of 21973
timing is always everything .....one could have easily lost money on Dow last night as made it
KEAYDIAN
- 14 Nov 2008 11:01
- 3467 of 21973
Maddoctor, that was me.
maddoctor
- 14 Nov 2008 11:04
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was not sure if you wanted your fame spread far and wide so left out name! :-)))
ThePublisher
- 14 Nov 2008 11:09
- 3469 of 21973
"re these huge rallies or falls - the only explanation I can come up with is that the computer trading programmes are just playing follow my leader"
A point I was trying to make on another thread that quickly died for apparent lack of interest.
I track the S&P 500 and it also went from about 5% down to 6.5% up.
In no way could humans made sales and purchases on five hundred different stocks over such a short period to effect that amount of change. And remember that whereas you can trade an index it trading price is determined by the value of the stocks it contains. So the computers that md is talking about are trading the 500 individual stocks - but seemingly making buys/sells based on the movement of the over-riding index.
Scarey stuff when you think that all this talk about recessions and oncoming gloom are dominated by the movement of indices like the S&P 500 - which is being driven by computers.
TP