Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Cyners OK YOUGOV have been asked to survey certain questions but the TUC dont chose the pollsters neither do YOUGOV fiddle the books like so many organisations affiliated to the tories.

And by the way what is wrong with the questions asked.

Is it the results you are sore with.

probably nothing, and i merely made an observation rather than a major political issue as someone like fossy would have made
you'll note that i also made a supplementary observation re standards of living

by the way, there's no need for you to start making very silly and unsubstantiated political accusations about poll rigging

Dave Camoron ‏@EtonOldBoys 4m
Breaking News Portland......... The Old Mulberry Harbours used last in WWII are full of Brits Escaping the Tories to live in Bulgaria

A man who was allegedly high on meth reportedly fought off more than a dozen police officers while publicly masturbating.

Andrew Frey, 37, apparently made a series of outbursts and then began masturbating in an Oregon restaurant, The Oregonian reports.


Incredibly, police were reportedly unable to subdue Frey with a Taser.

It took 15 officers to finally take him into custody and stop him pleasuring himself.

Frey later reportedly told authorities that he took methamphetamine and couldn’t remember the obscene incident, according to the Marion County Sheriff's office.

Frey was treated at a local hospital and then booked into county jail on charges of public indecency, theft of services, and resisting arrest.

Why haven't we thought of this?


In what appears to be a horrific abuse of some of Japan's most desperate and vulnerable people, homeless men are reportedly being recruited to clean up the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant.

The destitute are said to be the most likely to accept minimum wage for what is probably one of the most undesirable jobs in the world.

One of the recruiters has explained how he is sourcing potential labourers for the world's worst nuclear disaster since Chernobyl.

The headhunter told Reuters news agency that he supplies homeless people to contractors in the nuclear disaster zone for a reward of less than £100 per head.

Seiji Sasa, explained: "This is how labor recruiters like me come in every day," walking past men sleeping on cardboard.

Almost three years ago, a massive earthquake and tsunami leveled villages across Japan's northeast coast and set off multiple meltdowns at the Fukushima nuclear plant.

Today, the most ambitious radiation clean-up ever attempted is running behind schedule and reports continue to emerge that the situation is worse than Japan is letting on.

Speaking to The Huffington Post UK , nuclear experts highlighted that no one really knows the true severity of the radioactive water leaks, but that they are "far worse than we truly know."

Reuters reported that in a murky underworld, driven by gangs, one man – photographed by undercover police recruiting homeless men – said: "I don't ask questions; that's not my job."

"I just find people and send them to work. I send them and get money in exchange. That's it. I don't get involved in what happens after that."

In January, October and November, Japanese gangsters were arrested on charges of infiltrating construction giant Obayashi Corp's network of decontamination subcontractors and illegally sending workers to the government-funded project, the special report revealed.

cynic - 31 Dec 2013 12:30 - 34760 of 34761

"by the way, there's no need for you to start making very silly and unsubstantiated political accusations about poll rigging".........ends

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Camoron himself has been up in front of the public accounts committee twice this year for telling lies in party political broadcasts.

Remember how he lied to the Nation and said the government were getting the countrys DEBT down, debt I might add that this coalition as racked up far more in 3 years than labour did in 13 years.

SO please dont come trying to capture the high political moral ground with me.

Anyway its the new year so Im not going to fall out with you and wont even ask you for an apology.

Happy New Year Cyners.

"Haystack - 31 Dec 2013 12:43 - 34763 of 34764

A man who was allegedly high on meth reportedly fought off more than a dozen police officers while publicly masturbating."

Well, doesn't that just about some you up H/S... Any more enlightening insights into your thought process today?

in case you hadn't noticed, i'm trying to avoid taking any (hard) political ground at all .....

nevertheless, as is often found in the big, bad world, the company that commissions the research will expect and nearly always get the desired result ..... and if they don't, then they won't publish :-)

as is often said - lies, damned lies and statistics!

So what are your comments on the CBI who commisioned a similar report on WAGES and found that employers were not paying employees enough. Yesterdays report.

Were they lies dammed lies and statistics. or are you just curb fitting to suit your own agenda.

i've no idea what the CBI report said as i didn't see it, let alone read it
why are you getting so heated?
and having got so heated, are you sure you haven't had a little typo above? :-)


btw, as you seem to have forgotten, my "supplementary" is cc'd again .....
that said, it comes as no surprise that the overall feeling (forget the %) is that living standards are not improving ..... it is inevitable that this aspect will lag behind industrial (economic) recovery


PS - no apology requested :-))

Not inevitable at all, where have you got that tosh from.

Growth can be demand led not supply push, in other words consumer strength and higher standards of living are pushing growth up.

You seem to be a little confused with your economics.

Living standards do certainly not have to lag behind industrial recovery as Osbourne a non economist would have you believe.

Read Keynes.

Anyway Im calling it quits.

I can smell the John Smiths on the air like a March Hare.

Its all around me and Im getting shiffty feet. Crappy Christmas is past thank god, its a new year to savour.

See ya next year grumpy old git........wink.

Living standards always lag behind economic recovery.

Keynes is all about government intervention and generating work by digging a hole and filling it in again. France is trying that method and it is failing miserably. It is the policy that left wing governments use on the way to leaving us in debt.

i think you're wrong - and i suppose that means keynes too, if you have that 100% right - when it comes to recovering from a recession such as we have just been going through ....... unless you're going to have unbridled exchequer borrowing, though we all know the disaster that brings in its wake

however, i'ld certainly accept that once an economy is back on an even keel, then domestic demand will indeed be able to keep that growth going without (i think) provoking wild inflation

btw, i've never read what GO has to say on this issue, and indeed on very few others

Absolute tosh.

Their is an argument where you increase benefits to very high levels and the bottom up multiplyers in the economy plus the accelerator redistribute that wealth and the lower living working classes propensity to spend increase M1 M2 and M4, in other words the money supply flows faster and economic growth lags standards of living, the downside being the chances of inflation increasing later down the track.

have you written english above, or is it just c+p gobbledegook or perhaps even your own gobbledegook?

Hays totaly wrong on Keynes read the book again.

Cyners its economic drift.

Unlike you and Hays I have a PHD in economics.

That doesnt mean Im always right but put it this way would you ask a labourer do do a plumbers job.