Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

goldfinger

It was in answer to the miner's strike. We have been over the Belgrano sinking b4

even less popular than Gordon Brown . Now you have gone and upset Fred .

don't rise to the bait aldo :-)

And now what we know about Arthur Scargill [ is he still living in the Mansion that the workers paid for ] ?

MPs vote Margaret Thatcher ‘best modern prime minister’

The Iron Lady scores particularly highly for decisiveness, as she just beats Clement Attlee into second place




The woman known as the “Iron Lady” has been voted by politicians of all parties as the most successful prime minister since the Second World War – scoring particularly highly for her decisiveness.

Conservative Thatcher just managed to pip Labour’s Clement Attlee – one of the driving forces behind the creation of the NHS – into second place in the poll, which spoke to 158 MPs, and was conducted by politics and international relations undergraduates at Royal Holloway University in London.

The survey covered prime ministers from Clement Attlee to Gordon Brown, with most MPs citing decisiveness as a more important characteristic in a leader than intelligence, principles, energy, ruthlessness or honesty.

Respondents were asked to score past PMs on a 10-point scale across 12 traits. Thatcher had an average score of 7.4, a single percentage point more than Attlee on 7.3, and ahead of Tony Blair (6.8) and Winston Churchill, judged for his postwar stint in the job, on 6.5.

It was bad news for Gordon Brown, however, who was judged to be the worst of Britain’s 13 modern leaders, scoring just 3.3.
Dr Nicholas Allen, Royal Holloway’s senior lecturer in politics, who oversaw the survey, said that “Thatcher has a unique place in the minds of British MPs”.

“As well as being judged the most successful prime minister, she also elicited the widest range of responses. In death as in life the Iron Lady remains a divisive figure, idolised by some, condemned by others.”

Unsurprisingly, it was part affiliation that was the strongest predictor of perceived success, though Edward Heath bucked this trend. The man who took Britain into Europe was rated more highly by Labour and Liberal Democrat MPs than Conservatives.

“It’s not surprising that MPs perceive Thatcher, Attlee and Blair to be the most successful prime ministers. Attlee and Thatcher both presided over fundamental shifts in British politics, while Blair, like Thatcher, was a proven election winner. When it comes to winning big majorities, David Cameron still has much to prove,” added Dr Allen.

www.independent.co.uk

Why would she? He was a terrorist who would not give up violence. He was responsible for killing large numbers of people. I haven't noticed the Labour leaders begging for terrorists to be released over the last twenty years.

From the perspective of London, the miners' strike was the best entertainment on TV every night.

Hays.

Conservative Thatcher just managed to pip Labour’s Clement Atlee – one of the driving forces behind the creation of the NHS – into second place in the poll, which spoke to 158 MPs, and was conducted by politics and international relations undergraduates at Royal Holloway University in London.


Were 158 of the MPs were right winged con party merchants?


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Noticed. that in spite of all the lying that the tory leadership did prior and during the "miners's strike", 70 plus pits had already been picked out for closure before the strike started.

(Not implying, that the economics of the situation suggested that they should, or should not, have been closed. But it was the manner, lying and hypocrisy around doing so that many disagreed with. That does not imply that Scargill was not "stupid" in many of the surrounding "actions".)

However, this government is continuing the same tradition.

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The method of managing by bullies, who could be suitably chosen from the right wing of the con party and narrow minded UKIPPERS.

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Hays,

Suggest at the next election you stand on the pavements with a placard reading:

"From the perspective of London, the miners' strike was the best entertainment on TV every night."


If you do have the courage of you convictions, which I doubt, let me know and I will come and watch.

and if fossy was other than a supercilious old windbag, he'ld be taking a soapbox on hyde park corner and would assuredly be voting

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actually, albeit with hindsight, i have quite a lot of sympathy for the miners and steel workers as they were led down the garden path to the slaughter by their union leaders .... they, of course, had no real interest in the welfare of their members, but only their own and their paymasters' political agendas

THATCHERS BUBBLE TRULY BURST...............well its all over the national news and ive never seen twitter so busy, and its Thatcher supporters who just cant believe their idol was such a manipulating person.

one man says " i trully loved her i worshiped the ground she stood on, but that as been shattered today". Another man says hes going to jump off London bridge.

People cannot believe Maggie covered up and lied to them.

A group says Britain was a day away from Civil War with troops being got ready not only to take on dockers and drivers jobs but to take up alongside the police.

Various political sources saying this will have hit the tories very hard in the polls so it will be interesting to see this weekends.

Hays get ready for a big poll fall for the tories on sat/sunday.

Go for it Manuel!

Con camp followers "humane" responses to problems:



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But of course the standards and thoughts of the tory leadership is that the rest of you are in it altogether, while we are in "clover".

How much have you donated to become a party follower and led by the nose.

David Cameron and Tory cronies get £1.2m from City fatcats


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The Coalition has hammered the poor but slashed taxes for bankers and hedge fund bosses


Rich pals: Chancellor George Osborne has received £270,000 from fatcats
Reuters
David Cameron and other top Tory ministers have received £1.2million in donations from bankers and City fatcats since they became MPs.

The PM regularly singles out MPs who have taken union funding during Commons clashes and claims it influences their questions.

Yet he and 12 other Tories in the Cabinet accepted cash from financiers to fund their Westminster offices and constituency operations.

And the Coalition has hammered the poor but slashed taxes for bankers and hedge fund bosses.

Labour’s Michael Dugher claimed the figures showed, “it’s the same old Tories under David Cameron”.

He said: “A handful of millionaires in the City are still bankrolling the Conservative Cabinet.

“Little wonder the Tories won’t stand up for ordinary working people, just the priviliged few.”

Prime Minister DAVID CAMERON has received £366,823 of fatcat dosh since he became an MP in 2001.

His rich backers included Ken Costa, ex-boss of Lazard Brothers; disgraced hedge fund chief Lewis Chester; and broker Michael Spencer.

Chancellor GEORGE OSBORNE, also elected in 2001, took £270,856 from backers including another hedge fund boss Michael Hintze – dubbed the “Godfather of Tory donors”; former Goldman Sachs banker Sir Simon Robertson; and carpet tycoon Lord Harris of Peckham.

And Education Secretary MICHAEL GOVE, elected in 2005, raked in £188,000 from the likes of Jeremy Isaacs, a boss at doomed bank Lehman Brothers; and Manro Haydan Trading – once run by crooked metals trader Marc Rich.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/david-cameron-tory-cronies-12m-2313390

I have no sympathy for the miners. It was all self induced pain. They allowed themselves to be led by Scargil who didn't even ballot his members. They took on a far more determined person, who had prepared for a fight. Scargill's agenda was to bring down the government and further his communist ideals. It was the final battle in the war against the dark forces and all they had was a busted flush. More pits closed under Wilson. It was a dying industry.

Headline in the Daily Express - "Roger Federer expecting third child". I knew the guy was talented, but ---------------------!

I see Ian Brady has dimentia _ sad!

It is interesting to watch the Tory Party or Old Conservative party implode.

Labour should just sit back and watch.

(I like the quiet game.)

hays - as any union member will tell you, it's very difficult indeed to vote against the leadership, not least because of severe intimidation ...... BA cabin crew came under this sort of pressure a few years back

further, it is compulsory to join the union if you want to work in certain fields

It is in the practical nature of sheep to get slaughtered.

Fred , sorry to bring you such bad news.

It was bad news for Gordon Brown, however, who was judged to be the worst of Britain’s 13 modern leaders

How did Tony Blair get such a high score