Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

lots of good reasons why uk (heavy) manufacturing was in serious decline from WW1 onwards

for sure there was plenty of appalling management, and to some extent, that is how and why the balance swung too far the other way (as is the nature of these things) towards union power .... this in turn gave a good toehold for ultimate direct russian financial and political control of several key unions

however, even without all the above, it is in the nature of manufacturing in the modern era, that it gravitates to areas where labour is cheaper or even cheapest, always provided that the goods are produced to an acceptable quality

in the chemical industry, china especially has a well-earned reputation for producing sub-standard product - ditto india to some extent - with the result that the only way that it can be sold is at a discount

for that matter, many people still refuse to accept chinese stainless steel, for similar reasons


sorry - got a bit off subject at the end :-)

going back a bit .....
direct russian financial and political control of several key unions is exactly why it was necessary for the good of the country that they be broken, albeit that it resulted in much serious pain and hardship for the victims

that almost all coal mines were uneconomical by that time, and steel industry costs per tonne were far too high, inevitably resulted in their closure ....

that the unions, for their political ends and not their members' benefit, were still insisting on ridiculous restrictive practices - e.g. who should draw a chalk line on a boiler plate - accelerated both the demise of those unions and the industries in which they were prevalent

"for sure there was plenty of appalling management, and to some extent, that is how and why the balance swung too far the other way (as is the nature of these things) towards union power .... this in turn gave a good toehold for ultimate direct russian financial and political control of several key unions"

What absolute tripe you come out with Alf... You must be drunk.

please now enlighten us all as to which bits of the above are incorrect, though you are probably too young to remember that far back anyway ... however, your lord and master fossy should be able to give you the far-left slant if you can't remember the party line

btw, the last time i was drunk was a good number of years ago .... i really do not like the after-effects - i.e. a hangover - so avoid the risk

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Stan he is not drunk he was indoctrinated at early age with R/winged simplistic Darwinian form of capitalist theory and a that coupled with false self opinion of his own ability and worth is unlikely to be changed.

He has read the Mail and Express and Comics to hone his opinions without recourse to looking at the history of the unions and what they have achieved through that period.

He has a constricted view of the past and like the other blind followers of the present tory leadership concentrates on the immediate and not the long term future, but protecting his own personal advantages.

The problem is that he like the UK has a worn our infrastructure and not the resources or ability to make the necessary changes.
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so even fossy can only cast generalised and hopelessly inaccurate aspersions rather than pointing up any errors in my post .... not surprising really; after all, he's just fos, thinking that by throwing around enough silage, he'll con some people into swallowing his nonsense .... perhaps his 10-year old grandson will believe him

Stan he is not drunk . If you say so Fred , you know him better then most on here. But why post all that about him , i thought he was a friend on yours

From another thread commenting on us here............

If you look at something like the 'TALK TO YOURSELF THREAD', I do think this typifies how 'stale' MoneAM has become. There are about 6-10 regular posters having a political ding dong with each other and for the average user, it would be so very hard to even contribute to the thread as he/she would be readily seen not to 'fit in' just because it is so 'cliquey'............ends

Well Ive replied and dismissed it as just not being true.

Anyone can post here as long as we dont get the spoiler like we had from advfn a few weeks back.

Comments posters please????????????

That poster is absolutely spot on GF. Your thread, your responsibility. How about banning political in-fighting by creating another separate thread and calling it just that. Introduce other topics on here instead, one way of getting rid of Fred so that has to be a bonus :O)

"please now enlighten us all as to which bits of the above are incorrect, though you are probably too young to remember that far back anyway ... however, your lord and master fossy should be able to give you the far-left slant if you can't remember the party line

btw, the last time i was drunk was a good number of years ago .... i really do not like the after-effects - i.e. a hangover - so avoid the risk"

Alf, I shall be away tomorrow but shall deal with you on my return, so hold yourself in reediness and if you're golfing over the W/E... Do feel free to get drowned -):

Chris other subjects do get discussed here.

Its up to the individual to skip what they dont like or squelch posters.

As the header says "Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish".

Not only that Chris but we dont want to say duplicate whats on say the footie thread or racing thread. We dont want to get where we have 2 or 3 duplicates like advfn as on certain subjects.

Absolutely agree GF, but that doesn't happen does it be honest. Day after day it is political in fighting and you and Fred are the main culprits winding cynic and Haystack up and to be fair vice versa. Your chart thread is brilliant. This thread could be as well just bin the political crap it's boring and frankly childish.

Point taken.

Gents if you are looking in can we keep it a little more civilised, that doesnt mean ignoring politics but being a little more constructive.

How do you become constructive with a gov (all of them really) who are hell bent on changing the country for what they call better?

None of the three main parties want to defend our way of life, they are all seeking to change to a model that only works with hyper population expansion. (think Brazil)


Any of you lot want to live in Brazil?

Its more the arguing that Chris is pointing the finger at Max, I think we are all guilty.

Lets try and be a little less head strung and keep to facts going forward.

I certainly dont accept that this thread is unfreindly to new posters as was the intial charge and that they wouldnt fit in. Thats totaly wrong.

Right off to work to get sloshed and watch the cricket he he my kind of job.

Manuel.

Actually, my grandson at the age of 12 will never be as foolish as you seem to have become.

And from his chess which is coming on well, knows the difference between tactics and strategy and the quiet game against the more aggressive game.

Even he sees Cameron as full of bluster and responding to public reaction rather the having overall planning for the future.

Amusing to listen to him and I certainly try to answer his question if or when I know the answers.

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However, I am not your lackey and suggest that you read a little social and economic history to get your information for yourself.

Perhaps, if the information is not to your liking it would be wise to consider it more carefully before rejecting it. If you have that ability with in you.

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You are right about the Unions having some leaders in the past who were communists and certainly the majority of the leadership would be socialist and "left leaning" and there are still a smattering of members and leaders who maybe lean farther to the left than the majority.

Consider the reasoning for the formation of the unions and labour party you would expect it to be so.

But you can see by the deals which were done by sensible management and sensible unions many companies were kept open during this recession by the deals struck between them.

Also, if you look at relationships in many large companies working relationships are good, due to give and take on both sides.

Working relationships as Germany would be a further improvement. But those relationships are down to history.

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But when you consider the danger to the UK. I would suggest you consider the Cambridge five or more.

Burgess ‎ Blunt, Maclean, Philby to name just a few who sold out to Russia.

Check their background education.

The above were from those who practised elitism.

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Get real and stop being so bigoted.

A Bad And A Good Start To The New Year :-


I was working over Christmas so was looking forward to some time off and celebrating New Year. My youngest son flew up to Aberdeen from Luton he's 32 I only get to see him around twice a year so was looking forward to it. My wife and I picked him up from the airport and she dropped us off at his hotel and then drove home, unfortunately she is on medication so was unable to join us in our quest for the falling down water. However I did say we would be home by a quarter to midnight to open the champagne (one glass wouldn't hurt her) in time for the bells and let in the New Year. My son and I had a great night visiting several bars, a good catch up, and hit three more bars on the twenty minute walk home from the city centre. Good to my word (on fear of death) was in the house a quarter to twelve and we saw the New Year in together, received and made the usual phone calls to nearest and dearest, fabulous, great night! My son then went on his way back into town to hit the clubs (those were the days). I crawled off to bed (literally) :O)


At around 9am New Years Day my son rang to say that he came out of one of the clubs (god knows what time) everyone was happy (well pissed) wishing each other happy new year etc, he was chatting quite amicably with two guys when suddenly one of them pushed him into a back alley stuck a broken glass under his chin (didn't cut him) and said "I've just done an eight year stretch in prison and your being done, empty your pockets and hand your phone to my mate" Which he did obviously. They than ran off. Night ruined my son then went back to the hotel and went to bed. He'd just woken up and was ringing me on his Ipod to tell me. Happy New Year. So he went to the Police Headquarters in Queen Street to report it gave a statement and at least got a crime number for the insurance company, thinking all along never see that phone again.

I was blazing, feeling guilty cause I wasn't with him usual thoughts that go through a fathers head. So as you do, took him to the Pub tried to cheer him up, watch the footy, came out with the clichés unlucky son, just in the wrong place at the wrong time, scumbags, better to be mugged than be a mugger, you get the gist.
I gave him my phone told him to ring his number if they answered inform them what pieces of low life they were, might make him feel better. During the course of the day must have rung his phone a dozen times, of course they never answered it.

End of the day for obvious reasons I drove him back to his hotel.

The Wonders Of Modern Technology - And Aren't Our Police Marvelous.

The following morning my son checked his Ipod, low and behold the scumbag had turned the phone on and the street where it was located was flashing away. He phoned the contact number of the detective he had given his statement to and informed him. About an hour later, by this time my son was with me at home, the detective rang me stated that they had a good idea who was responsible and could my son take a look at some photographs of possible suspects. He did. Armed with a warrant went to the address one Iphone recovered, one male arrested kept in custody overnight appearing before Sherrifs Court in the morn. RESULT! .....Happy New Year once again :o)