Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

sorry sticky, but your post is completely unintelligible, so you'll need to re-write it if you want it to be understood

anyway, i am absolutely not guessing at what i heard, and it was very specific and clear ..... it was actually a sensible discussion about bankers, their incomes and bonuses, and also mentioned overseas tax regimes (eg HK) and bonuses earned by the likes of Glencore traders and Goldman Sachs

i am well aware that fossy (aka red fred) will be completely incapable to take a balanced view, but i have some hopes that you could

and before you go drumming down that well-worn and nonsensical route, you really cannot justify ranting about those who legitimately minimise their tax bill ..... you may disapprove, on whatever grounds you choose, but that really is the end of the matter
if the law is changed and "those" loopholes closed, then what is avoidance today may indeed be evasion tomorrow ...... but as it stands to day .....

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i could make a better song and dance about countries that impose withholding tax (WHT) which can be as little as 5/15% but as high as 34%
you may think that that is just a crafty way for gov'ts to fill their coffers early and that that WHT can be readily recouped in due course by the company whose income is so hit
in fact, it's assuredly not always that easy

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i could screech even louder about HMRC (VAT office) who are downright obstructive and aggressive when it comes to the non-refunding of properly due monies
it seems that it is now frequently necessary to threaten hard action (formal complaint) vs HMRC to get any response at all
of course, in so doing, one may then find oneself undergoing a spiteful and unwarranted forensic investigation by HMRC, the expenses for which cannot be reclaimed

fair world isn't it

Hi Cyners, yes its come out vertical not horizontal, trouble is dont no how to sort this tried a few times, anyway Im not doubting you just pointing out your source as obviously looked at what SHOULD have been collected not what was ACTUALLY collected.

David Camoron falls for the same trick nearly every PMQs but in his case he is deliberately misleading the electorate.

Here you are Cyners IR35 and how the top 1% dont pay 45% tax rate but pay 20%.

I could do it myself very easy but my pro bodies would have my bol-ox on a plate........

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-2095909/How-pay-21-tax-100-000-income-child-benefit--IR35-rules-explained.html

promise he wasn't/hasn't, but if the tax has been AVOIDED, then it is not collectible so does not come into the argument and cannot be used for yours either
how much tax is EVADED may be substantial, but nowhere near the same league - ie relatively small beer

anyway, i too was very surprised indeed by the stat stated, but as i said previously, i have no reason at all to think it inaccurate ..... the guy, though i forget who he was, was very senior indeed in his particular field, so would not leave himself blatantly open for "destruction"

So's Camoron but he gets away with it, I suspect because the other sides would do exactly the same thing if in power.

Disgraceful figures....... notice how its tailed off under the Tories despite all their false promises.

ENFORCEMENT OF IR35
2000–01: 16 cases (£0 recouped)
2001–02: 261 (£0)
2002–03: 1,016 (£946,275)
2003–04: 1,166 (£1,973,851)
2004–05: 771 (£1,447,796)
2005–06: 656 (£2,316,351)
2006–07:158 (£1,906,619)
2007–08: 104 (£1,730,640)
2008–09: 25 (£1,430,358)
2009–10: 12 (£155,502)
2010–11: 23 (£219,180)

is that all that has been "EVADED"?
surely not; that's absolute peanuts - e.g. there MUST be more than 23 cases of known EVASION in 2010/11
out of curiosity, during which of the above years was labour in power?
it's not entirely relevant, but no doubt a silly stick for some to use :-)


anyway, i see you've stopped trying to knock down my comment, but gone off on a total tangent instead

Manuel.

is this left wing enough for you.

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Manuel.

You remind me of the Days of the Workhouses, when a little boy asked his father,
“What are they for?”.

His father told him the reasons “Why”, and added “that is how it is son”.

I have never seen a Workhouse functioning in its original role

Things change.

Reactionaries lacking imagination of your ilk, wish to keep the status quo for their own insular benefits.

Like the public in general, I am getting fed up with the some bankers, financial service gamblers, MPs and the bookies, CEO’s, footballers, etc, black mailing the country by saying if they can’t have their “treats" they will flee abroad.

Give them OBEs. Which for many means and based on "other buggers efforts".

Let the “buggers” go. But freeze their “assets” in this country and prevent wealth accumulated here being taken abroad.

There has never been an inability to provide sufficiently qualified individuals to fill the positions of those who leave.



The holes they leave will be filled quite quickly.

Have a look in the grave yards.

Not all were sadly missed.
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No I havent add it up for yourself, its way below 30%.

AVOIDED by the way above not EVADED.

Gloating Tories don't care that people are dying of poverty on the real-life Benefits Street

Created on Thursday, 16 January 2014 10:19
Category: Latest news

Following public condemnation of the lifestyle and attitudes of the residents of “Benefits Street”, the highly controversial and much-criticised portrayal of a handful of benefits claimants living in the Winson Green area of Birmingham, the Mirror has published this article outlining the tragic reality for one benefit claimant:

Conservative Philip Davies demonised welfare claimants in the Commons while a man died waiting for benefit payments a mile from the MP's constituency
On Monday, in the House of Commons, the Conservative MP Philip Davies gloated over the portrayal of welfare claimants in Channel 4’s Benefits Street.

Esther McVey’s flatmate asked her boss Iain Duncan Smith: “Have you, like me, been struck by the number of people on there who manage to combine complaining about welfare reforms whilst being able to afford to buy copious amounts of cigarettes, have lots of tattoos done and watch Sky TV on the obligatory widescreen television?”

All the while, on real-life Benefits Street, a mile or so from Davies’s West Yorkshire constituency, a man lay dead.

He died alone in a freezing cold flat, wearing several layers of clothes and two dressing gowns – waiting for benefits that had been stopped for months by the DWP.

Next week, the man will be buried in the Nab Wood Crematorium in Shipley, the constituency Philip Davies ­represents.

Read the full article and resulting comments here

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+2 #1 Bill 2014-01-16 12:17
Its should not be called Benefits Street, it should be called ''Criminal Street'' because the makers seem to concentrate on the law breakers in the road rather than the honest and decent people who are claiming benefits through no fault of their own.

Of course its what the Tories want everyone to concentrate on because they have painted exactly this picture of all benefit claimants to date, with the help of their newspaper Baron friends and supporters.

The program has been made so that it fits nicely into what the Tories want the ''hard working families'' of the UK to despise. Sadly, a program about real peoples lives on benefits would have little or no interest at all for the viewing public and would not produce the type of characters that the Tory Party want to expose.

So, step forward the Labour Party and get some of your Media friends to make a program that show a real life on benefits...... if you want to help us, as many people think you do, you can start by giving the ''hard working families'' of the UK a true view of what life is really like for real people like us who have to survive on benefits, along with illness in a great deal of cases.

Divisions in Coalition as MPs demand independent inquiry on poverty

Created on Thursday, 16 January 2014 13:09
Category: Latest news

Calls for a ‘commission of inquiry’ into the impact of the government’s changes to social security entitlements on poverty have won overwhelming support from Parliament.

The motion by Labour’s Michael Meacher was passed with a massive majority of 123 votes; only two people – David Nuttall and Jacob Rees-Mogg – voted against it.

The debate enjoyed cross-party support, having been secured by Mr Meacher with Sir Peter Bottomley (Conservative) and John Hemming (Liberal Democrat).

Introducing the motion, Mr Meacher said: “It is clear that something terrible is happening across the face of Britain. We are seeing the return of absolute poverty, which has not existed in this country since the Victorian age more than a century ago. Absolute poverty is when people do not have the money to pay for even their most basic needs.”

Read Mike Sivier’s Blog post in full

Hansard

http://mikesivier.wordpress.com/2014/01/14/divisions-in-coalition-as-mps-demand-independent-inquiry-on-poverty/

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#1 Bill 2014-01-16 14:56
Thank goodness for this. Lets hope that some action is taken to stop this country sliding back another 100 years.

Foodbanks, with thousands of people relying on them, can you truly believe that is how our once great country treats its own?

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Why do you lot go on posting day after day about politics , just see what the party's have to say up to the next election and vote.

More important than the muppet politics is that "Trigger" is no longer with us ! Roger Lloyd PACK has passed away !......never will be forgotten....with "only fools and horses" coming back...how can the return start except by a tribute to : this great actor/comedian !...

Osborne's latest u-turn of Minimum Wage rate.

I don't think the cons could walk in a straight line if they tried.

But he is probably realising how unpopular the torrids are and started to buy votes.

What a crew.

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Sorry that money is needed for the pressurised bankers and their high taxed puppeteers.

sticky - you're not making sense ....

if someone has AVOIDED tax - a perfectly legit exercise - HMRC has not the slightest interest

i assumed,surely correctly, that your table showed the number of cases where EVASION was known or at least strongly suspected

please clarify .....

also, somewhat for entertainment value, please tell me (us all) during which years labour was in power between fiscal 2000 and 2011

Those posh birds who work in City like to talk about money Trig ," I found one of those old white five pound note's the other day " No Trig , No

Cyners you havent read it have you. Stop being idle.

Read about IR35 and then you will see what im talking about.

Trig's daughter is Emily Lloyd. You may remember her in Wish you were here. Her catch phrase was "Up your bum!"



She has gone downhill these days

She doesn't look very happy

A lot of that film was shot in Bognor regis when Madam Cyn was a teenager she worked in the Bus station.

Have you read IR35 now Cyners and do you see the association with the years I posted down, not forgetting The Tories came to power 0n 6th May 2010. Labour being in power for all the years before this in my illustration.

Penny finally dropped?????????????????????