Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

"Does the EU require any country that trades with it to have free monvement??"

Yes of course they do..Vietnam, Canada, Turkey, + 52 other countries ALL
have freedom of movement, otherwise they wouldn't be able to have a free
trade agreement...

Some buyers of Tata Steel are withdrawing due to Brexit.

The Vietnam and EU trade deal is not free trade. It has lots of tariffs. It is just a trade deal. Some tariffs are 55% on some goods. The EU tariffs for Vietnam is 680 pages long and the Vietnam one is 197 pages.

ok, so it's tarrifs all round...fair enough, lets start with all the €U cars that we import.

Who would like to start the bidding? Germany, France, Italy...winner gets all.

You won't be able to afford a car in 2years time!

Petrol £5 a litre.

Some alarming scenarios here

http://news.sky.com/story/1717492/does-a-leave-vote-definitely-mean-a-brexit

No real alarming stuff there Haystack, just bad loser stuff.

I'm surprised at you, I thought you was an exiteer, yet you display all the trappings of an €U inner (with bells on)


As for the mp's defying the a popular vote...good luck with that, I hope they have suitable €U jobs lined up, cos they will be pariahs to their own electorate.

Merkel is quietly putting the Junky in his place. It is clearly in the UK interest to take its time and let emotions cool. Behind the doors preliminary talks should be held with Germany first. The rest don't matter, they will do what they are told otherwise no money.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said the European Union has "no need to be particularly nasty in any way" in the negotiations with Britain about its exit from the bloc.
She insisted that deterring other countries from leaving the EU should not be a priority in the talks.
And she added she was not in favour of pushing for a speedy withdrawal.
Britain narrowly voted to end its membership in a historic referendum last Thursday.
Mrs Merkel was speaking after several EU foreign ministers - including Germany's - had urged Britain to quickly implement its exit.
"It shouldn't take forever, that's right, but I would not fight for a short timeframe," she said.
She added that she was seeking an "objective, good" climate in the talks with Britain, which "must be conducted properly".

Brexiters are the blind which a psychopath is hoping to lead to their "promised land".

Its about time those remainers who are 'remaining' in the past need
to look to the future with optimism and realise there is a new growing
world out there waiting to do business with the UK....

Spain next?


http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/06/will_spain_be_next.html

The exiters have been bitching about Europe membership for over 40years, now it is the turn of the "remainers".

Wait until the bill is worked out.

Fred you are such an idiot ,petrol £5 a liter ,you won't be able to buy a car ! .

Lucky for you ,you have quite a few bad losers around you who can not except the decision that was taken by the electorate .
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Now i saw Dan Hannan on newsnight and he was alluding to a deal for access to the single market that would include free movement of labour which sounds like son of free movement of people !
Surely any government knows that immigration was top of why we voted to leave and they would be out of office if this was the deal struck .

jimmy.

I think the trick with the free movement thingy is whilst there may be free movement, there wont be free money/flats/healthcare etc.

We would be able to pick and choose, and deport without the €uro's sticking their noses in.


That's only my thoughts, it could be as you say, in which case its back to where we started.

No free movement MaxK , you come here on say a green card, like if we work in the USA ,any free movement of the EU is like you say , back to where we started .

Junky's days are numbered.

He and his attitude is why vote leave won and half of EU founders are thinking of joining us.


Merkel is more switched on and in touch with reality than I have ever given her credit for. She is genuinely gutted imo.

... unlike Fred !

Fred serious ... Carwyn said he was going to ring Brussels and do a deal for Wales Friday morning if there was a vote out.

Did he ring them ?

No he didn't because the Welsh voted with their hearts and he had no mandate because we voted out.

Get over it , move on , it's called democracy.

And as long as I've got a hole in my ar%e Labour will never win another General Election with Corbyn or any of his ilk in charge.

Study the Blaenau Gwent Gwent or Torfaen vote if you don't believe me.

Hilary Benn booted out . Power struggle going on ? .

The qualıty of polıtıcıan we have now ıs showıng ıts face. Sadıq wants Londınıstan to ıgnore vote.

Lammy. Not fıt to hold offıce son.

Surrounded by ıdıots.

I wouldn't trust Merkel an inch all she's thinking about are BMW Audi VW and Porsche car sales over here , and the longer the leaving takes the more opportunity she has for maneuver , that's if she's still around .