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The really useful silver thread (AG)     

squirrel888 - 12 Jun 2013 10:30

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gazkaz - 12 Jul 2013 14:31 - 357 of 1034

2 mins of Rick Santelli - Blowing his stack chicago style





Re this...chart
- 2 + 2 does not add up - health of the economy two indicators
(after all they...used to...broadly correlate...but recently ???)

gazkaz - 12 Jul 2013 21:32 - 358 of 1034

Sometimes you just look at three charts and you can make a decision
- fiat paper and fiat paper denominated assets
- or precious metal



Official - Debt to GDP ratio(in Red)
Debt to GDP ratios....including "unfunded liabilities" (pensions & healthcare) - in grey




So....
- These figures are absolutely astronomical and prove
- that most governments in the world will be .....totally incapable.... of repaying their debts...... or funding the pensions or medical care which they have committed to.

It doesn’t matter however much governments cut expenditure or raise taxes,
- all these countries are insolvent and ......nothing can save them.


Next.....

A 100 years - showing the value of all the major fiat paper currencies.......priced in gold




In conclusion
- it's the 1st time ever - that all major fiat currencies have engaged in a race to the bottom.....ultimately their intrinsic value... which is nil

Looking at the long evidence of history in times of....less "total global" SHTF in progress turbulence.......precious metals seem to have (understatement)....a decent track record

So perhaps in todays GLOBAL TURMOIL.....they may ....fair rather well
- at the other end of the tunnel

gazkaz - 12 Jul 2013 21:39 - 359 of 1034

Well I seem to be in a minority of one....and no two way info - or evidence of anyone reading again, so

- will leave it for now, untill or if there's signs of life out there :o)

MaxK - 14 Jul 2013 00:28 - 360 of 1034

tDon't give up gaz, we are reading.

Bu the boards in general seem to be fucked up at the moment.


Keep on truckin!

mabel - 14 Jul 2013 10:10 - 361 of 1034

Hi gaz,

Have been away for a few days but I certainly am reading at every opportunity.

I do know where you are coming from though when you say this is one way traffic.

You do all the supplying and the rest of us do all the reading - it's just that you are so good in the supply department, and you obviously have the ability to read and absorb at a tremendous rate.

I think the problem is that there are not enough people on this site compared to the other side.

A lot of the terminology etc in some of the data that you bring to our attention is way above my head and although I might get the gist generally, I'm not in a position to make a well informed comment.

The off topic stuff I love, and appreciate very much what you bring to the board.

The Youtube clip about the Red Cross denial of the effects of MMS is an absolute eye opener and after all the other things that have been brought to my attention regarding big pharma's firm grip on the health industry, I find I am no longer surprised at very much.

Incidentally, I place the national charities in the same league for out and out deception and misrepresentation, as big pharma and government. They have their own agenda and are solely concerned with maintaining their own interests and privileged position. They misinform rather than inform, and what we get is propaganda.

To think, for years I direct debited to the Red Cross, Oxfam, MAP and Greenpeace to the absolute limits of what I could afford, and guess what, they used to ring me up and ask for more, and I did send more for 'special' situations or particular disasters.

Not any more. All direct debits have been cancelled and it was not easy to take that step, but thanks to the education I have received here, I don't feel uncomfortable about it.

Anyway, ramble over, but many thanks to you for what you bring to the party, and if you are no longer going to post here, I hope you will post on the other side occasionally.

mabel

eric716 - 14 Jul 2013 12:48 - 362 of 1034

Thanks for the updates gaz, good to see you back. have been watching from a distance but doing other things whilst waiting for the turn in pms to take hold in case I get tempted to sell at the bottom.
Interesting from atkinson today they're asking peeps to sell them their gold and siver coins at these low prices, supply must be getting quite tight for this type of request to appear I'd of thought?

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gazkaz - 14 Jul 2013 13:03 - 363 of 1034

Mabel - as long as you, max, eric, snurkle, squirrel etc are still reading (& putting your t'penneth in, on or off topic that's great - just seemed eerily too quiet)

The following is worth reading re big pharma

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/features/death_by_medicine.html

Gather you have passed on the "forbidden Cures" re cancer cures to a few people.

This Egward G Griffin YouT is worth passing along too
(helps substantiate further...cures)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeYMduufa-E&feature=gv

And if they still have doubts :o)

This one shows the west approach - "if people cure cancer with natural productc
(yes - even aftet chemo/radiation etc) - docs say they didn't really have cancer, or just a mild case" -
(& yes there is a top US oncologists in the film that says thay !!!)
- vs -
Yet in the east (japan etc) their medical people... are all over( using/trialing and adding "the cure/therapy")......it...like a rash.

http://vimeo.com/18582324

mabel - 14 Jul 2013 16:48 - 364 of 1034

Have just listened to the Edward G Griffin stuff and will certainly pass this on.

It is so difficult for people who have the diagnosis because they are too frightened to go with anything other than what the doctor recommends, and only see alternatives as 'last chance saloons.

Those in possession of this type of info can only hope to inform rather than actively persuade, and you hope they will at least WATCH the thing in the first place.

I personally have good reason not to trust the medical profession, as between them they very nearly killed my son.

I'll try to be brief.

Over the course of a year he went to the doctor with abdominal pain which latterly became almost constant.

His GP diagnosed irritable bowel and several months in refused to refer him.

By the time he was referred he was literally skin and bone having lost 25% of his body weight.

He was finally referred to a gastroenterologist and had colonoscopy and scan.

Result being -

There is nothing wrong with you.

You are probably abusing drugs.

You are anorexic.

This is attention seeking behaviour.

You need to see a psychiatrist.

All this to someone who has no history of drug abuse and who had never even consulted any doctor with any mental health issue ever.

4 days later he consults again with GP.

Faints on entering consulting room. GP tells him "This is pathetic".

Collapses in waiting room while making further appointment. GP tells him he is OK to go home with his dad.

Had informed GP about large, black bowel motion and was told that he had just been given the cleanest bill of health it was possible to have. Black bowel motion is internal bleeding apparantly.

GP records in his notes, Widely dilating pupils. Pale. Cachectic. Looks shocking.

Did not examine him at any time.

The next day he collapsed again and was admitted to hospital with a haemaglobin of 6.6. He had to have blood transfusions before a gastroscopy could be performed.

He was found to have a huge duodenal ulcer which had pierced an artery and was spurting blood. He was lucky to survive.

This just 5 days after being discharged and told to see a psychiatrist.

And guess what. The GMC did not want to know. They said there was no case to answer.

mabel

squirrel888 - 14 Jul 2013 19:31 - 365 of 1034

I'm reading & absorbing. Humidity at 66% here. Managed to join a ladies walking group who walk around an air con mall for an hour. Swimming on hold as water is too warm & someone got an ear infection so as I'd already guessed - bacteria infested pool - so knocked that on the head & swapped it for the walking.

Reading alot.

Keep feeding us Gaz - we're like hungry chicks & its all helping my sanity.

gazkaz - 15 Jul 2013 00:30 - 366 of 1034

Mabel - hard to have faith
- how many people are led blindly - to chemotherapy

The Fred Hutchinson Cancer Institute has published research showing that
- The extremely aggressive therapy, which kills both cancerous and healthy cells indiscriminately, can
- cause healthy cells to secrete a protein
- that sustains...... tumor growth.... and
- resistance.... to further treatment.

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/shock-study-chemotherapy-backfire-cancer-worse-triggering-tumor-growth-article-1.1129897#ixzz2Z3wBzcHo

It's actually been known sice the 70's - but even so - when a recent study shows it.....
- why are they still giving people something that - sustains the cancer
- and....makes it more agressive and treatment resistant
.....than you began with ?????

Strange - they keep pushing....mammograms...too

John W. Gofman, M.D., Ph.D., an authority on the health effects of ionizing radiation, spent 30 years studying the effects of low-dose radiation on humans. He estimates that
- 75% of breast cancer
- could be prevented by avoiding or minimizing
- exposure to the ionizing radiation from......
- mammography,........ X rays, and other medical sources.

Does he know his onions...on the subject

John William Gofman is
- Professor Emeritus of Molecular and Cell Biology in the University of California at Berkeley,
- and Lecturer at the Department of Medicine, University of California School of Medicine at San Francisco.

He is the author of several books and

- more than a hundred....... scientific papers in peer-review journals

in the fields of nuclear / physical chemistry, coronary heart disease, ultracentrifugal analysis of the serum lipoproteins, the relationship of human chromosomes to cancer, and the biological effects of radiation, with especial reference to causation of cancer and hereditary injury.

Re Mammograms

British Journal Of radiology on.. pubmed.gov

- low energy X-rays
- as used in .....mammography are approximately..... four times
- but possibly as much .....as six times
- more effective in....... causing mutational damage (than higher energy X-rays)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16498030

And.....after they have finished using "more cancer causing low energy" radiation for mamograms
- causing up to 75% ...of breast cancers

When they.....find the breast cancer
an independent review set up...by the government
(following years of scientific controversy surrounding the NHS programme).

Found...
4,000 women will undergo .......unnecessary treatment, including
- surgery,
- radiotherapy
- and chemotherapy,

for a cancer
- they would not otherwise have known about and....
- which would have done them......***** no harm in their lifetime*****.
Some breast cancers are so tiny and slow growing that they would....
- never be a threat...... to a woman's health,
the review says.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/oct/30/breast-cancer-screenings-damaging-women

Conclusion

So in the light of all the above......why do they keep batting on regardless

- using "more cancer causing" low energy radiation...for mamograms
- & doing things that cause 75% of breast cancers (Per Dr Gofman)
- treating women with - radiation/surgery/chemo......who would never have any threat to their health ....in their lifetime...had they done nothing
- and....when giving chemo....knowingly doing so....even tho' the Fred Hutchinson Cancer institute.....has proven
- it causes the body to release a protein that.....actually sustains the tumour
- and makes it more....treatment resistant .

Answer ?
- sadly..... a simple one
- the same reason the Red Cross suppresses Jim Humbles....malaria cure
(there would otherwise be millions of African babies - surviving)

ie...
If they didn't keep causing cancer and supressing the cure
- Trillions in lost profits
- &....billion more people on the planet

In the style of Bones as he used to say to Captain Kirk on Star Trek

"It's just Eugenics Jim....but not as we know it"





gazkaz - 16 Jul 2013 09:17 - 367 of 1034

Interesting update from Ned of Cheviot Asset Management

Worth noting in the written report .....The Gov't/BofE....is WORRIED about
- BARCLAYS (Leverage now a huge 40 : 1)

The reason I mention it - is as I have pointed out previously - there was an investigation into...... Barclays - "illegally" lending the money to - the Saudi wealth fund money
- to fund... "its own bailout"....to avoid the strings of a Gov't bailout
- tantamount to a bankrupt - writing out a cheque on his ...own bank account...to repay his own debts !!
(then .....silence re the outcome)

PLUS
Jim Willie states heaven and earth is being moved on a daily basis by the Banksters to stop 3 Banks going tits up
- Barclays....Deutsche & Citi

The written short update newsletter

http://www.scribd.com/doc/152683206/Gold-Update-July-2013

Ned interviewed by GoldMoney ...on the content of the above gold report update



Ned also points out the fiat system is broken
- as - in a stable fiat system
- gold should just "sit.... backing the paper currency" and not really - move much.
- and the paper currency should - move around at reasonable velocity.

In the present system
- Fiat money is parked in "financial assets - Gov't T Bonds, Stock Market, Bank accounts etc
(& incidentally Trillions are parked by the Banks at Central Banks - as they are ...unwilling....to risk....lending...to each other. 2 Trillion parked by the banks ..at the FEDy alone !!)
- ie fiat paper is... not moving...with sufficient velocity

And....
- it is ...Physical Gold..... that is.... moving
- and with...... increased velocity

He also points out - that there are only 2 measures of the value of "money"
- gold backing...and interest rates
(interest rates being compensation for.... the "risk" of holding fiat paper)
- and both are being heavily manipulated..to suppress/hide the massively falling "value" of fiat paper

The fiat system is broken completely
(as has always happened throughout history....to all paper based money systems)
- and this time, fot the first time - it's ....global

gazkaz - 16 Jul 2013 09:58 - 368 of 1034

An opinion from 58-year market veteran
- Ron Rosen, who has been at this business for almost ...six decades
- that silver ....will advance roughly 800%
and gold is set to soar over $3,000 from current levels.

We are looking at a massive move in front of us that will top ..sometime in 2014.
- At that point there will be a correction.
- Then,..... a massive blowoff
- will take us probably into early 2016.

People who have been tortured by this long corrective phase, they will be thrilled if they have the ability to hang on. They just need patience here.

I expect the gold price to hit $4,300 in early 2016, but
- the really fascinating thing here is..... the silver chart
- because there have been three peaks.

The first peak increased two times from the previous low. The low was $4.01 and silver went over $8 in that move. (x2)

The second peak was $21.44. So silver increased four times the previous low, which was $5.45. (x4)

The third peak was $49.82, and that was six times the previous low, which was $8.40. (x6)

You’ve got an old guy like me who has been at this business for almost six decades, and he sees....... 2, 4, 6.

There’s only one number that comes up next, ....8.
- We then multiply 8 times the low of $18.17, and we have a silver price
- of over.... $148 sometime in early ....2016.

It’s as clear to me as the sun rising and setting.”

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Rick Rule comments on how he & Eric Sprott became.....wealthy

One of the things that occurs to me is that this is my fourth major market cycle. The three previous down-cycles that I’ve been through previously were the cause of my personal wealth, and Eric Sprott’s.... personal wealth

“It’s interesting that at age 60 I have a lot more patience
- than I did when I was age 30.
And I think one of the things that’s happening right now is the fact that markets and conditions have caused me to be a 3-to-5-year thinker, and most of the people I compete with, who are 20 years younger than me, have a.... 2-to-3-week time frame.

And the idea that somebody who has a 2-to-3-week times frame can compete with somebody who has a 3-to-5-year time frame is very problematic. What Eric and I are trying to do in very crass terms is go from being quite wealthy,
- to being....... ludicrously wealthy.

This is my fourth major downturn, and in the first one I was really terrified because I hadn’t been through it before. But in the last three downturns
- I have known in every case that bear markets cause bull markets
- and that I was going to come out of it doing very well.
I just didn’t know how well or how long it was going to take.

I need to tell you that in each prior instance that I came out of it doing much better than I anticipated, and this time I believe that
- I am going to do incredibly well coming out of this market.

People need to remember that neither want nor hope are... investment techniques,
- they are emotions.
-people need to think .....as opposed to wanting or hoping.
- And if they do that, and they lengthen their time frames,
- they will do much, much better with their portfolios as this market turns and heads to the upside.”

“We need to remind ourselves,
- that the narrative with regards to precious metals
- has not changed between 2010 and today.
The only thing that has changed is the price.


Investors sometimes need me to hold their hands.... on gold and silver.
- People need to ...hold their own hands.

They need to decide for themselves
- whether they want to do.... what I do,
- which is own things they (governments) can’t print,
- or whether or not they want to default, as an example, to the U.S. 10-Year Treasury which our friend Jim Grant famously described as.... ‘return-free risk.’

Of course I am....betting
- that it will be much wiser........ to own things that governments can’t print.”

.................................................................................................................

Overall patience - common sense - on how you personally join the dots of the info which adds up to the true, real....big picture....that's coming down the track
- and cutting through TPTB owned MSM.....hype, talking heads and...
- well ....general deceptive ...Bullsh!t

Generally the "freethinkers" tend to be right...on the big picture outcome
- but just see it....too early
- then doubt their own conclusions...during the lull
- often they then ....jump back in the game
- only to find out....they had been right all along in the first place.

As I put it - "if" you are correct in the foresight
- that all the pointers are that....the brown stuff is going to hit the rotating blades...at some point in...the near future"

"Is it better to be...prepared
- a year or two..early
- or one day....too late ??"

gazkaz - 16 Jul 2013 13:36 - 369 of 1034

Another pointer (re above - near term....the brown stuff impacting the rotating)

The European "bail out fund" itself
- has been - downgraded
(you really coiuldn't make this stuff up)

Published July 15, 2013
Associated Press

LONDON – Fitch Ratings has cut its credit grade for
- the European fund that provides .....rescue loans to Greece, Ireland and Portugal.

The agency says it lowered the rating for the European Financial Stability Facility — or EFSF
— by one notch from AAA to AA+
as a result of its downgrade of France last week.
(The EFSF’s creditworthiness ....depends on that of the countries that provide its financing, which includes France).

Monday’s downgrade of the EFSF means the fund could have to pay higher interest rates to raise money.
Fitch’s rivals Standard & Poor’s and Moody’s have already downgraded it.

(No great suprise - but most sheeple don't grasp - it's predominantly the - insolvent nations - guaranteeing......
- the bailouts....of insolvent nations
(yes - the crazy world of...smoke and mirrors)

gazkaz - 16 Jul 2013 13:59 - 370 of 1034

Someone sticks his head above the parrapet
- to give an opinion on z/h - as to when the next - step change increase
- in the volume of sh!t hitting the fan....is likely to be.

Mark J. Grant, author of Out of the Box,

Everyone wants to know ........what day everything will change.

I have been asked and asked and asked when
- the cat will come out of the bag,
- when Jack will jump out of the Box
- and when the weasel will pop.
- I have even been asked when the cow will jump over the moon
- but
I will let the cat with the fiddle...... answer that one.

I could tell you that I have spent long nights with the ancient runes. Maybe I should claim that, being the Wizard, I have cast the Calendarus Spell and divined the future. Another option would be to claim secret knowledge from the newest Sage, Ms. Lalique. None of these would be true though so I will not make such statements.

No, the Drop Dead Day
- will prove to be accurate but for other reasons.

It is the date of...... the German elections
- September 22, 2013.

Portugal is about a nano-second from blowing up.
- Their ten year yield is now north of 7% and their political coalition is a hair's breadth from collapsing.
- The government has asked the IMF to delay their financial review... until August citing political uncertainty.

Greece is right on the verge of coming unglued again.
- The Troika is demanding that Greece cute fifteen thousand Civil Service jobs.
- The unions are calling strikes once again and the current coalition rules by a handful of votes.
Trouble is again on the horizon.

The Prime Minister and the government of Spain are accused of graft.
- The Spanish economy is worsening dramatically
- while unemployment surges.
The Spanish banks are asking for (this is quite stunning)
- their deferred tax assets
- to be guaranteed by the nation .....in another attempt to turn water into wine.
Things are not going well.

France is in a recession and their economy is getting worse.
- Last Friday they lost the last of their "AAA" ratings and there is no joy in Paris I can assure you.
- Further budget cuts are on the horizon as encouraged by the IMF
while Monsieur Hollande sinks in the polls.

Having identified all of this
- it will not matter .....until the day after September 22.

Nothing is going to be allowed to upset the bratwurst cart and..... I mean nothing.

If more money is needed it will be spent.
- If favors need to be called the phone will be in use.
- If Frau Merkel needs to give Mr. Draghi a new set of instructions; they will be issued.
- Whatever it takes.
- Whatever must be done.
Nothing .....will get in the way of the Chancellor's re-election.

In the days following the election, however,....... the gates of Hell may open
- and the brimstone may spill out.
- Every..... problem, question and issue that was delayed, put-off and tabled until the German election took place
- will rear their ugly heads for public inspection.

Attitudes will change.
- Money will not be easily forthcoming and....
- the noose will tighten around the necks of the troublemakers.

Portugal, Spain, Italy, Cyprus and Greece...... will be wailing once again

gazkaz - 16 Jul 2013 14:23 - 371 of 1034

Dave Kranzler of the GoldenTruth:

"GOFO negative for........ 6th day in a row
(I explained GOFO...plus cause reasons & potential impact....higher up the thread :o)

It also increased in negativity...... from Friday.
- New territory here folks.
- With the managed money hedge fund category.... gross short Comex gold....
- by a record amount
(it went up again... last week)

and the big banks........ net long..... Comex gold
- for the 1st time..... since Nov 2001,
it's only a matter of time..... before this explodes to the upside."

IMO/FWIW - it's just a matter of......how long & how much.... they can keep getting....more net long

- until....they choose...to light the blue touchpaper

gazkaz - 17 Jul 2013 08:21 - 372 of 1034

Possible game changer re Silver

Money manager Stephen Leeb

“We are seeing massive demand for photovoltaics ....out of both Japan and China.
- We are also continuing to see massive demand for silver in the Middle-East for this type of energy infrastructure as well

China
- has just raised their target for solar power.

This is an incredibly important event for the silver market. That means more silver demand.
- They have just raised their target to more than... 35 gigawatts by 2015,
- up from the current level of.....just 7 gigawatts.

China’s previous target was...... 21 gigawatts by 2015,
- so that’s a stunning increase of....... 67% above their previous target.

China is saying their target is now 35 gigawatts,
- but I think they will be closer to 45 to 50 gigawatts of solar capacity by 2015.
( If you look.... at the rate... at which they ......keep raising the 2015 target, who knows what the target will be by 2015)
- they may even have 100 gigawatts of solar capacity by the year 2020.

Photovoltaics already consumes .......10% of the entire...... silver market,
- and we will see an enormous surge in that number over the next five years.

So there is going to be,,,,,, tremendous upward pressure on silver prices.... going forward because of China’s need to buildout solar capacity.

If we look at Japan post-Fukushima,
- Japan is going to be in the market for solar in a big way in the future as well.
- All of this means more and more demand for physical silver.
The message here for investors is not that silver will go from $20 to $50, but instead that silver will trade .......in the hundreds of dollars an ounce in a matter of years.”




gazkaz - 17 Jul 2013 08:44 - 373 of 1034

Check this -....twice
US Mint Silver Eagle...Sales

Total for year to date - 52,618,500
Total sold in JUST JULY - 27.575,000

Unless they have made a bit of a..... VERY LARGE TYPO

They have just sold....more eagles.....so far...in JULY
- Than in the rest of the previous 6months

http://www.usmint.gov/about_the_mint/index.cfm?action=PreciousMetals&type=bullion

Maybe someone put the YTD total (inc July Sales) - in the July Sales Line
(Or...maybe not :o)

gazkaz - 17 Jul 2013 08:58 - 374 of 1034

Beware - a man on a white horse - who is currently....riding it ???

As far back as ancient times, whenever civilizations fell into great crisis, people in desperation have almost invariably turned to a single individual who promised them better times.

Both the Greeks and Romans often conveyed dictatorial powers to someone in whom they entrusted people’s security and livelihood. Typically this was a battle-hardened general who could lead a city’s defenses and beat off an invading horde.

Of course, history is full of examples of men who did not give up power willingly once the crisis passed.

The ancient historian Herodotus lists as many as fifty ‘tyrants’ in his writings, a word that has its origins in ancient Greek despotic rulers.

For thousands of years, ambitious men have always taken advantage of crisis, social turmoil, and economic downturns to solidify their positions and take control… often creating even more destruction in their wake.

As an example, the 1920s economic crisis in the Weimar Republic
- had a huge impact in the rise of...... Adolf Hitler’s National Socialism.

Watch just 56 seconds.....makes you think doesn't it !!!!





gazkaz - 17 Jul 2013 09:21 - 375 of 1034

One for the "out the box" free thinkers - that might make you go 'mmmm

What if ..Chavez & the Bundesbank gold
- wasn't sitting where it should be in the Central Bank Vault

Would you need to literally .....smash the price of ......Gold & Silver
- and put the - fear of god - into investors hearts & minds
- to stop them buying
- and start them selling

Plus
- allow comex invet-ory to be milked
- and ETFs (GLD etc) to be raided of....physical

Plus let....the Banksters out their...immense short positions

(Seems good enough reasons in themselves....but lets look at evidence.....of the...... after effects
- of Chaves & Bundesbank requests .....to see if it "perhaps" bears out the above :o)

NB - make sure you scroll "to the right" on each chart....sorry can't reduce the....widescreen)




The 2 lines are where Chaves & The Bundesbank requested....their own gold back
- coincidence ???


A zoom view of the post effects of the Chavez moment
- after the initial expected market boost
- what then....followed :o)



......................................................................................................................


Now lets look what happened after - The Bundesbank moment





So in a nutshell

- after the Chavez moment (line 1) short tim up blip
- gold took a decent.....(to be polite)....tumble

Then.....traded sideways (the blue area)......until
- the Bundesbank moment (line 2)

Then the price got whacked....whacked....then whacked some more
(folowing chart)




.......................................................................................................................


Now lets look at the Bigger picture
- what happened to the Gold price after....the bundesbank moment
- vs -
- Comex invent-ory ....movements
- & ETF gold holdings......movements






......................................................................................................................


Still think - the Chavez & Bundesbank gold
- was where it should be

Still think the gold price smash .......was ...a COINCIDENCE


NB.............MAKE SURE - you scroll right.....especially on that last chart!!!!!!
(The verticle dotted line - is when the Bundesbank.....requested their Gold)

Does it
- Make you go ''''mmmmmm ????

As the famous US Gangster convicted of "Tax Fraud" used to say
- once is ...happenstance
- twice is...coincidence
-Three times.....is....enemy action

gazkaz - 18 Jul 2013 05:29 - 376 of 1034



Lets have a look at that last quite stunning (coincidence :o) Graphic again for a moment





Now lets for a moment consider that
- the takedown of gold coincidentally happening after the Chavez request
- and even more graphically represented in this ....total repeated smackdown of gold....again, coincidentally...after the Bundesbank request

- was nothing to do with..... Chavez & the Bundesbank wanting their gold back
- and the high probability....it wasn't there
(so on that score.....lets also ignore the FEDy needing to take....7yrs to return it too)

Why else would there be such an awsome drain on comex & Gold ETF inventory & where is it all going.....unless as everthing points to...into the hands of
- ready and willing physical buyers
- willing to pay significant premiums over ficticious paper spot price
- and willing to wait weeks, if not months to get hold of the physical as a result of refiners working flat out...to meet such overwhelming demand
(does that seem a sure sign of panic selling to you....lol)

So was such overwhelming demand for physical by the punters/India/China etc
- the unintended backfire
- from the hope by TPTB that the smackdown would let them ......get hold of .....the long gone leased, lent, hypothecated/rehypothecated, fractionalised ....Bundesbank gold.

Anyway...moving along

Lets again - let our minds drifts to the talking heads & mainsteam media opinion re the Gold price waterfall price drop
- in that, it's no connection to an attempted smackdown to panic the sheeple into selling them the much needed physical to satisfy the missing Bundesbank gold
- or to let the Banksters exit their huge short positions
(& indeed become net long :o)
- and .....

- as CNBC & the bought & paid for media - shout from the rooftops
- it's the .....end of the precious metal bull market
- and all the people are cashing in their ...precious metals ETF holdings
- and heading for....
The Exit

Well ignoring the above evidence of demand plus
- 10's of thousands of people queing outside shops in China to buy
- Vietnamese willing to pay nearly $300 dollars PER OZ over paper spot in a recent gov't auction of...physical gold
- India doing everything it possibly can to block it's sheeple buying physical gold
- and GOFO rates being negative far out for 7days (& counting)

Are people really bailing out of "physical ETF gold" - holdings

Well facts....... are a really funny thing
- as evidenced from the table below

You see - GLD - that's the one run by the usual - bankster crew
- has been absolutely heamoraging....physical
- and by coincidence - it's the one that....
- only Bankster bullion members can.....actually get hold of ....the real physical Gold
- And it has lost (redeemed)........ a massive
- 13 MILLION OUNCES or to put it another way...a gynormous
- 30% of it's holdings in 2013

So is that evidence of....punters heading for the exits ....en masse

Because here is the.....really strange thing
- if you check the chart
- you will notice that the funds backed by - real physical
- and where ....the punters themselves.... (not the bankster bullion banks) can actually get hold of and take delivery of....real physical

- eg sprott asset's gold backed ETF & the Canadian one

Have not ....lost/had redeemed......even just ...one single ounce...by their holders/investors !!!
-not one, a big fat zero, diddly squat..redemptions
- over the same period
- that the Bankster run GLD....lost/allegedly redeemed.....13 Million Ounces/30% of it's ...entire holding

Check it out !





So do... "you"
want to go with - the talking heads/MSM
- no demand - sellers rushing for the exits & dumping their ETF holdings

Or do you join the dots - see a manipulated take down re the Bundesbank moment
- and also allow the Banksters to exit.... their potentially crippling short positions
- and GLD being...bankster milked of...its physical




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