This board has been a little to quiet for while.

Is it time that Bush and Blair who is a close friend and confidant of Bush were tried for War Crimes?

Do you think the use by the American Administrations of renditions are War Crimes and committed with full knowledge of American and British leaders ie. Blair and Bush and they are ultimately responsible?

Also in the aftermath of the illegal invasion of Iraq are should their action seen to be as the provocation for the rising toll of British, American and Iraqi deaths.

As a result of the military intervention in Iraq do you think you are safer in Britain to-day?

Do you think one should expect government leaders and ministers who have been responsible for massive foreseeable casualties should visit the hospitals to meet the casualties they have produced directly or indirectly by their actions?

Was it not this day three years ago when journalist Terry Lloyd was killed in Iraq?

Haystack, I think you will find moon landings in the "loonie" thread :-)

Try this

from maestro.

LOL

http://www.advfn.com/cmn/fbb/thread.php3?id=9568406

seems were going in circles, despot sadam was supported by us and the yanks and supported in his tryanny and postively encouraged to attack Iran, the west even supplied him with him most of his weapons. Remember the kurds are displaced race around the world. Oh well its getting to politically for me and i am a big softie, but how do you bring so many different factions together. All the explanations in the world will not convince me we are making a good job of it.

ps who was the man standing on the moon who filmed armstrong taking the first ever steps on the moon??

The very first steps were photographed by a TV camera attached to the outside of the Eagle and turned on by Armstrong.

NAS4 attached a camera to an extended arm on the landing craft. This camera was lined up with the exit port and was operated from within the craft.

cheers haystack, and why was the flag waving in the wind on the moon, thought there was no wind on the moon???

Perhaps, the Americans were farting again.

Kivver, a TV program last week examined some of the claims. I was, at the end, convinced neither by the claims nor the attempted debunkings.

Take for example the case of shadows which appear to fall in different directions in the photograph. But shadows falling in different directions can be observed on a sunny day in one's back yard where the sun is the only source of light (+reflections); and it can be observed in studio situations where there are more than one sources of light. So, both the claim and debunks points only to none-exclusive possibilities. i.e it coudl have been single or multi-light-sourced.

Similiarly for stars not appearing in the pictures. etc etc


Oh, IMO, experts and world authorities are really just people who may know more which is very different from being correct. And those who are "more" coorect may not be experts.

On July 20, 1969, two Apollo 11 astronauts planted an American flag on the surface of the moon. The flag was a standard 3-foot-by-5-foot nylon flag that was altered by sewing a hem along the top. A telescoping crossbar, hinged to the flagpole, was extended through this hem so that when the flag was planted on the Moon, it would stand out instead of hanging limp against the flagpole (as it would normally do, since there is no wind on the Moon). When the flag was planted, astronauts Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin had a little trouble getting the telescoping crossbar to extend to its full length, and so it ended up being a little shorter than it should have been. As a result, the flag was bunched up slightly and looked like it was actually "waving in the breeze."




There are no strange things about the Moon landings that do not have reasonable explantations. There is going to be a very detailed mapping and photography mission soon around the Moon which produce photographs of the equipment left there.

Wonder if they'll find my spare car keys? I can't find 'em anywhere.

Im with you really haystack, and think these conspiracy theories are silly. jfk, the moon landing, princess di's death, nothing sinister. Though i do think the Villa fans have been putting something in Steve Bruces tea.

Never mind Kivver. I have heard a rumour that a lottery winner has offered to buy Birmingham City a new player with his winnings. A much better player than those they have already.
He has also promised to buy the entire club, if he gets another 3 numbers next week.
Alan

Haystacks, from your picture they looking from the "Weapons of Mass Destruction".

Did anyone ever read the report from the UN inspectorate that discussed a visit they made to a suspected chemical manufactory?
Simply, they turned up unannounced to do an instant spot check, as allowed by the UN treaty. The site was very quiet, with very few staff and very little in the way of any obvious work being done. They were told that an instant inspection was not possible and would they kindly wait in a reception area.
They were made comfortable and provided with food and refreshment for their 3 hour wait.
The room overlooked the main highway in that part of Iraq, and as time wore on they saw (and probably didn't believe they saw it) dozens of lorries in convoy, turn off the highway, drive to the factory, get loaded, and then drive away.
As soon as the last lorry left, the inspectors were given the grand tour and allowed free access to check whatever they wished. What they found included several empty laboratories, and machine rooms that showed signs of recently removed equipment, and a few empty safe storage areas.
Now, while I will agree that no WMD were found in Iraq, that is not the sort of behaviour likely to make a worried world feel comfortable. Thsi inspection was one of the very last done prior to the war, and was against a backdrop of threats.
The point is, the inspectorate could only report the facts of the case, which were that they had been delayed by a not unreasonable 3 hours, had seen lorries entering and leaving the factory, had inspected a half empty factory and could find no evidence of any WMD facilities.
I for one, would read the above and my first reaction would be that they had something and were hiding it. This would be strengthened by the countries leader promising to use WMD if he were attacked.
Under these circumstances it is not unreasonable, for a foreign power, to deduce that inaction would probably be the worst option.
As a footnote, even though WMD have not been found, how hard is it to hide something the size of a biscuit barrel in a country the size of Iraq, which is mainly desert? Yes the production facilities are traceable, but with chemical and biological weaponry the equipment is much the same as that for medicines and industrial chemicals, and for nuclear capability the equipment is a holdall stuffed with roubles and a contact in the Russian Mafia!!
Still think they had stuff.
Alan

There is some evidence that the Russians helped move the WMDs to Syria befeore the war started.

The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) is due to take off in 2008 and will spend at least a year taking various photographs of the surface of the moon, including the landing sites of the four manned Apollo moon landing missions.
The pictures will be detailed enough to reveal the footprints of astronauts including Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong, as well as the famous Stars and Stripes flag that they raised on their Apollo 11 mission in 1969.

Japan is planning a similar mission which will also reveal details of the landing site. (SELENE is a lunar surveyor that Japan hopes to launch in 2008. The name is short for SELenological and ENgineering Explorer.)

India has announced that it plans to explore the Moon and will send an unmanned probe there by 2008. The project's main objectives are high-resolution photography of the lunar surface. (it is also being used to find good sites for Lunar Indian restaurants)

Don't forget that the Russians tracked the moon mission in 1999 and nothing would have given them greater pleasure than to expose a hoax.

Kember says the Iragi people is where his sympathys lie and say they deserve the basic standard of living they were promised.

Hew6, Suggest you obtain copy of Robin Cook's book "The Point of Departure" which gives an "insiders" insight of workings of government in the modern era. With details of the lead up to the Iraqi fiasco and his resignation.

I think it is probably an honest expose of that period.

I may be interesting that, if the Medic who refused to serve in Iraq is found guilty of disobeying an order will appeal against the Military Courts findings and takes his case to the court of appeal.

I have absolutely no sympathy for Kember and his kind. He has put himself in harm's way and caused lots of trouble in the process. It is a pitythat we wasted effort in rescuing him.