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THE TALK TO YOURSELF THREAD. (NOWT)     

goldfinger - 09 Jun 2005 12:25

Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Haystack - 08 Feb 2014 18:13 - 36312 of 81564

Labour have been breaking the work permit laws for some time

The Arnie Graf visa row is simmering below the surface. James Forsyth reports in this week’s Spectator:

“It would be wrong, though, to think of Labour as a totally happy ship at the moment. There is the row over the visa status of Arnie Graf, the American community organiser and a close ally of Miliband. Graf’s friends think rivals inside the Labour machine deliberately leaked the news that he had no work permit in an effort to undermine him. Miliband’s confidants, by contrast, think the leak was designed to embarrass Iain McNicol, who as the party’s general secretary might would be hurt most by any administrative failure.

cynic - 08 Feb 2014 18:20 - 36313 of 81564

employer logs on or sends by post the number to a national register
oh yes for sure ..... can you see your local small-time city restaurants doing that or any number of other low cost labour industries?

MaxK - 08 Feb 2014 18:34 - 36314 of 81564

I'm not sure why this mistake is deemed a resignation offence.

He appears to have complied with the rules.


After some of the other cock ups ie waterways, why is cameroon so quick to hang his head on a spike?

required field - 08 Feb 2014 19:22 - 36315 of 81564

It would be compulsory Cynic...

cynic - 08 Feb 2014 20:04 - 36316 of 81564

so is registering a worker for NI and the rest, or hadn't you noticed!

and also, as Max quite rightly said, the minister did everything he could reasonably have done, but was still caught out - and he offered his resignation, as indeed he was correct to do .... sadly, his position was untenable, unfair as that may be in many ways

MaxK - 08 Feb 2014 20:17 - 36317 of 81564

What the hell is going on?




Police to review new William Roache claims

Police to review information from "a number of other people" during trial of Coronation Street star William Roache


Coronation Street actor Bill Roache has been cleared of all charges Photo: PA


By Agencies

3:10PM GMT 08 Feb 2014

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10626097/Police-to-review-new-William-Roache-claims.html



Police are set to review information they received from "a number of other people" during the trial of Coronation Street star William Roache, who was cleared of historic sex offences against five women.


Roache, 81, who plays Ken Barlow in the ITV soap, was found not guilty by a jury of two counts of rape and four counts of indecent assault following a four-week trial at Preston Crown Court.


Lancashire Police said they had been contacted with "further information", but said there is "no current investigation".


A spokeswoman said: "During the course of the trial of Mr Roache, a number of other people have contacted the police with further information.


"This information will be reviewed to ascertain what action, if any, needs to be taken in relation to it.

"Mr Roache was acquitted of all the charges in the trial and there is no current investigation."

It has been reported that the information came from three women.

Speaking on the steps of the court after his acquittal on Thursday, Mr Roache said: "I have just got one thing to say, in these situations there are no winners and I think we should all be much kinder to ourselves. Now if you will excuse me I would like to get back to work."

Mr Roache did not respond when asked if the trial had been "a witch-hunt".

In her closing speech to the jury, prosecutor Anne Whyte said that if Roache was telling the truth and the complainants were all liars then he could be seen as a victim of "a huge, distorted, perverse witch-hunt".

required field - 08 Feb 2014 22:49 - 36318 of 81564

I'm not bothered about the minister....it's about immigration Cynic....the country is awash with illegals and nobody cares......same old story in this country...games and circuses I think Cesar said.....keep the people happy...and this country has plenty of that !...

required field - 08 Feb 2014 22:57 - 36319 of 81564

It does seem incredible all these TV types being prosecuted for perverse actions rightly or wrongly...how come these goings-on (if you can call it) have been hushed up for years and now all this misbehaviour springs to light now.....Jimmy Savile was a national hero at one time...I thought so myself !...he raised millions of pounds for hospitals in the age when a million was a huge amount of money....very sad to find out how bad he was !....I reckon the nation should have better things to think about than being obsessed with the ghastly antics by a few !..

MaxK - 09 Feb 2014 09:41 - 36320 of 81564

Flood victims abandoned by the insurance lifeboat

Premiums rose 500pc for Beverley Morris after the last floods. Now she will miss out on the 2015 safety net scheme



By Dan Hyde

8:12AM GMT 08 Feb 2014



Beverley and Steve Morris are one of thousands of families on tenterhooks as the Government wrangles over details of an insurance scheme designed to protect houses at risk of flooding. Their property is a leasehold block of apartments – and it is unclear whether the plans will offer them, buy-to-let investors and larger houses an insurance lifeline.


Mr and Mrs Morris were victims of severe flooding in September 2012 when the River Swale burst its banks and engulfed the surrounding North Yorkshire plains.


The fire brigade arrived by boat to rescue all the residents in their converted 19th century mill in Topcliffe, where the couple have lived for a decade.


Like the households evacuated this week from the ravaged south-west coastline, the Morrises were forced into temporary accommodation while workmen repaired the water damage.


Mrs Morris, 56, said the flash floods came as a shock: despite living on the banks of the Swale, they had been unaffected by the stronger storms of summer 2007, when 48,000 homes in Britain suffered £3.2bn worth of flood destruction.


As the months passed, the families, pensioners and couples from the old Topcliffe mill were gradually able to return home and put the upheaval behind them.

However, they hadn’t bargained for a final blow. In February 2013, they were handed a near-500pc increase to their buildings insurance premiums, which were due for renewal. The floods had pushed the annual bill across the 12 properties in the converted mill from £4,916 to a staggering £23,750 – or nearly £2,000 each.



more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/insurance/buildingsandcontent/10623864/Flood-victims-abandoned-by-the-insurance-lifeboat.html

Haystack - 09 Feb 2014 11:23 - 36321 of 81564

Insurance is based on risk. Higher risk, higher premiums. It is why 18 year old kids are charged huge car insurance premiums. I am surprised that the homeowners can even get a quote in a flood area.

Fred1new - 09 Feb 2014 11:48 - 36322 of 81564


Once again, I need the waiter's help.

I am thinking of building a house in the middle of a river and expect the river to be divided to circumvent it.

I think that the country can afford the type of planning needed.

But I don't want any bloody wind farms, fracking drilling plant or Nuclear Energy station near me.

Also, I think the Thames barrier can be dismantled and reassembled 20 miles up the estuary for me.

Also, I think Chris Smith is completely wrong trying to protect a small town, or conurbation at the expense of a farming community who land has been flooding on and off for century.

Market forces should play hear, if the profit margins are correct the farmers should charge the going rate for produce and irrigate their own land, or let me build a house on it!

Fred1new - 09 Feb 2014 11:49 - 36323 of 81564

PS>

I don't care about insurance. I haven't got any! Don't need it!

MaxK - 09 Feb 2014 12:24 - 36324 of 81564

Failed at the NHS? Try again at HS2:

Newly appointed director at rail project has history of 'wasting public money'





Mark Leftly Author Biography


Sunday 09 February 2014


One of the most heavily criticised men behind the NHS's IT fiasco has been made a director at High Speed Two, the similarly under fire £50bn railway linking London with the north.


Opponents of HS2, who claim the project is a waste of money and will ruin the countryside, reacted with fury this weekend to an appointment they claimed was a "whitewash" and "hysterical". Patrick O'Connell's appointment comes at a time when HS2 is preparing a public relations charm offensive to spell out the benefits of the project, which will cut journey times between the capital and Birmingham to 49 minutes.

HS2 staff were told late last week that Mr O'Connell will soon join them as their programme and strategy boss, but the only part of his resumé that was referred to was his role as chairman at the Oxford Institute for Megaprojects. Up until the end of last year, Mr O'Connell was a senior figure at Serco, the government contractor that has been forced to go through what it calls "corporate renewal", after failing on a range of taxpayer-funded projects.




More: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/failed-at-the-nhs-try-again-at-hs2-newly-appointed-director-at-rail-project-has-history-of-wasting-public-money-9117106.html

doodlebug4 - 09 Feb 2014 13:05 - 36325 of 81564

The lunatics are running the asylum.

Fred1new - 09 Feb 2014 13:40 - 36326 of 81564

DB 4.

Agreed.

But I think it is a little unjust to say all the Con party MPs are lunatics.

I think there are a few of them far further down the scale than that.


8-)

Haystack - 09 Feb 2014 13:41 - 36327 of 81564

As opposed the Labour lunatics waiting to run the asylum.

Haystack - 09 Feb 2014 14:31 - 36328 of 81564

I saw the Wolf of Wall Street last night. What a fantastic film. So well made. About the excesses of the stock market in the 80s/90s. Three hours flew by. It brought back a few memories of the period.

Fred1new - 09 Feb 2014 14:41 - 36329 of 81564

Haze,

How did you escape?

cynic - 09 Feb 2014 14:46 - 36330 of 81564

underage sex trials and similar
there has been a fair old hoo-ha about the likes of bill roache and rolf harris being put on trial for alleged sexual offenses that took place about 40 years ago

the argument runs that (a) the moral code at the time was even more relaxed, (b) girls often deliberately flaunted themselves with intent and (c) too much time has now passed
bill roache has now been found not guilty, and one begins to wonder whether the trials of rolf harris and jimmy tarbuck and others will indeed take place

even if the cases are dropped and/or the accused are found not guilty, the huge stress and publicity that has surrounded them over the last year or more, must be devastating

all of this does indeed make one wonder as to whether these trials have any validity at all, though of course the alleged or supposed victims will claim the most appalling long term damage to their psyches, lives, relationship with their dogs etc etc

so enough of that BUT
what about the trials brought against the likes of peter wright who, at 83, has just been jailed for paedophile offenses committed in the 1960s?

is there really such a vast difference?

Haystack - 09 Feb 2014 15:53 - 36331 of 81564

I think some of the trials do seem pointless, such as DLT. However the charges against Roache were rape, which need to be pursued despite the time limit. The problem comes down to 'he said, she said'. There is usually no real evidence. If some of these cases had been about non famous people, the police would have dropped them due to the lack of a realistic chance of conviction. Some of the charges against DLT are that he groped some women nearly 50 years ago. Who is to say what the truth is. Different women react differently. I had a woman working for me as a director. At board meeting she said that she had a complaint about sexual harassment. Her complaint was that she wasn't getting any. We decided not to minute her comments.
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