Fred1new
- 06 Jan 2009 19:21
Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?
If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?
Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?
What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?
In The Land of the B
- 01 Oct 2010 12:55
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zzzzzzzzzz.......................
Gausie
- 01 Oct 2010 13:32
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Good heavens Haystack. Your spelling and grammar are sinking to the standard and clarity of your arguments. I'm afraid you're now failing to meet the minimum requirements for either.
ptholden
- 01 Oct 2010 13:57
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Yip, Piracy, incorrect description of Israeli actions, like to retract that one Haystack, or are you sticking by it?
In The Land of the B
- 01 Oct 2010 14:10
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He isn't the sharpest needle in the haystack.
fahel
- 01 Oct 2010 14:24
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http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/09/20109299312478378.html
Israel releases Gaza activists
Jewish protesters who tried to break Gaza blockade on a yacht allege Israeli marines used violence when they boarded.
Last Modified: 29 Sep 2010
Five Israeli activists who attempted to break their country's naval blockade of the Gaza Strip in a boat have been released from police custody, though five others who had been on board the ship are set to be deported.
Yonatan Shapira, a former pilot in the Israeli air force, said after being released on Tuesday that Israeli marines who boarded the yacht Irene were "very brutal".
"They didn't kill us like they killed other Palestinians and Muslims, but they were very brutal. I got shot with a taser shock gun ... and was brutally treated just like my brother Itamar," Shapira, a member of the Combatants for Peace group, told the Reuters news agency.
The Irene was carrying eight Jewish activists - including 82-year-old Holocaust survivor Reuven Moskovitz and captain Glyn Secker - as well as two British journalists. Of the eight, five were Israeli citizens and three were citizens of the US, UK and Germany.
Another passenger was Rami Elhanan, an Israeli whose daughter died in a 1997 suicide bombing at a Jerusalem shopping centre.
Eli Osherov, a reporter from Channel 10 in Israel, was also on board.
The Israeli army said in a statement on Tuesday that Israeli forces boarded the Irene "without incident" and that "no violence of any kind" was used by either side.
Itamar Shapira told Reuters that Israel "must let people live freely, study freely around the world, eat what they want, buy what they want like any other citizen should".
Symbolic aid package
Irene carried a symbolic aid package including children's toys, musical instruments, textbooks, fishing nets, prosthetic limbs and a water purifying kit. Israel has said the cargo will be screened and sent to Gaza.
The Irene, a 10-metre catamaran, is tiny in comparison with the Mavi Marmara, a Turkish-flagged ship that was part of a six-ship aid convoy intercepted by Israel on May 31. Israeli marines raided the Mavi Marmara and killed nine of its passengers: eight Turkish citizens and one Turkish-American.
But the Irene's voyage was a gesture by left-leaning European Jewish groups to highlight what they see as a flawed Israeli policy of collective punishment against 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza.
Yousef Rizka, a Hamas official, said: "The government has received Jewish activists heading to Gaza before. The government positively views all attempts to break the siege on Gaza".
Israel eased its naval blockade following harsh international condemnation for storming the Mavi Marmara. The nine deaths were a public-relations disaster for Israel.
Since then, groups from Iran, Ireland, Lebanon, and Libya, among others, have been trying to reach Gaza - with varying degrees of success.
In The Land of the B
- 01 Oct 2010 18:13
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Hey crapper,
The cargoes get through once they're checked for war material so what's the big deal?
If you're so obsessed and blind why don't you go on a boat YOURSELF and try and break the blockade?
You're just all (foaming) mouth and no action.
PS Would love to see you Tasered.
Perhaps not, the violent shaking and total lack of control is normal for you so no-one could see the difference.
cynic
- 02 Oct 2010 15:57
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and round and round we go .... had this exchange almost word for word 6/8 weeks ago ..... shan't spoil the excitement by typing hayseed's inevitable response
TheFrenchConnection
- 03 Oct 2010 06:54
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What sickening awful atrocity must the jackbooted zionist zealot hitlers have to perpertrate before they are condemned bythe UN in the most strongest of terms and exposed for what they are .Namely- guilty of numerous crimes against humanity / breaching international law/ conventions, and legal codes of individual countries, , violating human rights ...ect ect - a list too long to reproduce here . . But this latest political decision when translated into millitary action has only added to the totally unnessary and incessant suffering they have caused the palestine/ arab civilian population - a craft they have perfected over two generations ,and should justice exist , many of their political masters -past and present should be hauled off to Nuremburg ,,,,oops sorry l mean the Hague, and account for their brutal bllodlust ,,,,why dont they juste piss off back to the pre 68 border , and be happy with what the brits gave them in the 40s
aldwickk
- 03 Oct 2010 08:08
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I don't think they gave it , didn't they take it by their terror campaign against the British and the Palestinians ?
TheFrenchConnection
- 03 Oct 2010 10:50
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........yes-that is correct ; the term "gave" is very loosely applied and used in the interest of brevity -but it is not the right word - surrendered would be a better assessment-..But i think following WW2 ,the brits had already decided in principle to create a homeland for displaced jewry in palestine - but a homeland in a part of palestine which was not theirs to surrender was bankrupt of reason and planted the seed of later troubles . lt was an international zone as designated by the mark sykes/ george picot agreement -but more akin tp a protectorate under brit governance and administration ....but as you say after a terrorist campaign led by the likes of begin and the stern gang the brits left both jew and arab alike to get on with it.,,,,,,,,,,,typical ,,,
cynic
- 03 Oct 2010 11:03
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confess i thought it went back to the france/britain carve up in the Sykes-Picot Agreement of 1916 ..... anyway, all that is history, or we'll start the parallel nonsense again about giving Australia back to the Aborigines or South Africa back to the assorted tribes of yore, or perhaps more pertinent, unravelling the pseudo-nation of Iraq
fahel
- 05 Oct 2010 08:56
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fahel
- 05 Oct 2010 09:05
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fahel
- 10 Oct 2010 12:46
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fahel
- 10 Oct 2010 12:52
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Haystack
- 11 Oct 2010 15:00
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Lawyers representing the victims of the Freedom Flotilla, which was attacked by Israeli soldiers late last May, have filed requests to the International Criminal Court to prosecute Israel on charges of crimes against humanity.
According to news sources in Turkey, Ramazan Ariturk, a lawyer for the nine Turkish murder victims on board during the attack said a letter to that effect has been sent to international court prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo.
There is enough evidence to try Israel, and many law experts in the world share this opinion, he added.
The victims lawyers and relatives decided to head for The Hague, the Netherlands on Thursday to lodge a complaint before the International Criminal Court.
The International Criminal Court examines cases of war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide. It has the power to convict a person who commits a crime on the territory of one of its member states, or for an individual citizen of a member state
Fred1new
- 11 Oct 2010 19:03
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Interesting article from Telegraph to-day:
Benjamin Netanyahu had offered a compromise on settlement building Photo: AP
Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, had offered to extend a partial freeze on Jewish building in the West Bank, but only in exchange for Palestinian recognition of Israel as a Jewish state.
Within minutes of the proposal being made public, Palestinian officials had rejected it out of hand.
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The offer will be seen by some observers as unrealistic from the outset.
The Palestinian Authority, while acknowledging Israel's right to exist, has long resisted calls to recognise it as a Jewish state, saying such a move would discriminate against Israel's large Arab minority and prejudice negotiations over the fate of millions of Palestinian refugees.
The stand-off leaves the prospect of a resolution to the settlement row looking as remote as ever.
Peace negotiations have quickly foundered after Israel declined to prolong the partial settlement freeze, which expired in the last week of September.
Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian leader, has threatened to abandon the talks if settlement construction is not halted again, although he agreed last week to give the United States a month to find ways of resolving the impasse.
An Israeli government official said that Palestinians had to show a willingness to compromise in order to salvage the talks.
"The process will only work if it is a two-way street," he said. "It can't just be that the Palestinians make demands and the Israelis make concessions."
In an effort to break the impasse, the United States has offered Israel financial, political and security guarantees if it agrees to a one-off extension of the moratorium by two months.
Meanwhile, Palestinian officials say they could reverse history by seeking to have the West Bank placed under international trusteeship if the peace talks fail as a last resort.
The suggestion, which would see a return of foreign administration in the Holy Land for the first time since the British mandate of Palestine expired in 1948, is unlikely to win international support.
Haystack
- 12 Oct 2010 17:36
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If you want to boycott Israeli products then don't buy goods with barcodes beginning 729.
There are Israeli goods without this, but 729 is always Israel.
If you see any products labelled as Produce of West Bank these are from illegal settlements farmed on stolen land. Very little Palestinian goods labelled in that way are sold in UK supermarkets. Many settlements are also illegally labelling their goods as made in Israel. This is illegal under EU law due to beneficial tax arrangements.
Tesco sell quite a few products labelled that way as does Waitrose (some herbs and fruit for instance).
What the TUC and UK trade unions are doing
Calling on the UK government to seek EU agreement to impose a ban on the importing of goods produced in the illegal settlements;
Urging supermarkets not to stock such goods, or failing that, to label them accurately;
Pressing the UK government to work with the EU and supermarkets to ensure that goods are accurately labelled.
Supporting moves to suspend the EU-Israel Association Agreement which provides preferential trade facilities to Israel.
British government policy
The website of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office states that The government has been clear that settlements in East Jerusalem and the West Bank are illegal.
UN Security Council resolutions 446 and 465 deplore the building of settlements on Palestinian land and instruct member states not to assist with the building of settlements.
The Geneva Convention states that the transfer of a civilian population into occupied territory is a war crime; to be ancillary to this crime is also a crime in English law.
cynic
- 12 Oct 2010 17:54
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perhaps you should also boycott buying from the swathe of companies who source their merchandise in 3rd world countries where child labour is used in squalid semi-slavery conditions ..... i say support our own illegals and buy british, especially whatever is made in the sweatshops of bradford!
In The Land of the B
- 12 Oct 2010 22:42
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The only good boycott is a Geoffrey.
The only good haystack is a Monet.
Approach haystack only if you have Imovax.