Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

In October 2013 Cameron claimed in parliament that Labour "bankrupted Britain" even though the UK kept their AAA credit ratings until George Osborne lost them due to his blundering economic mismanagement several years later: "Bankrupted is Investment Grade"

To be expected in the fallout of a recession.

Another one to save that Fred.

Will come in handy in future.

to mention something much more constructive and interesting .....

St Mary's Paddington - NHS
we, and especially you lot, are rarely happier than when slinging brickbats at the NHS and our hospitals in general
it is therefore very pleasurable to pass on credit where it's due, for some outstanding service
my daughter was flown back from china in a very poorly way
the following day, she went to St Mary's A&E, where admittedly she had to do her share of waiting
however, once seen, she was passed across to the phlebotomy department where the staff and testing procedure was exemplary in every way

the powers that be are being made very aware of the above by way of a formal letter

Hays Ive got a mate who denys everything thats comes his way. Reminds me of you.

Poor lad is a psychopath, probably brought on by his heavy alcohol drinking.

George Osborne's "all in this together" fallacy

The "All in this together" fallacy is one of the most brazenly untruthful Tory party propaganda narratives in a shocking litany of utterly deceitful Tory public misdirection strategies.

The Chancellor of the Exchequer is the man behind this "All in this together" narrative, designed to deceive the gullible into thinking that everyone is making sacrifices in "Austerity Britain".

In 2009 George Osborne used the expression "we're all in this together" at the Tory Party Conference to justify his plans to launch savage attacks on public sector wages, and despite near constant criticism of the phrase in the intervening years, he regurgitated it as "we are all still in this together" during his speech to the 2012 Tory party conference.

The problem is of course, is that from an evidence based point of view, "all in it together" is transparently counter-factual nonsense. There are many, many examples to illustrate the fact that we are not "all in this together". In this article I'll go through just a few of them.

Perhaps the most high profile illustration that we are not all in this together came in April 2013 when the Tory led coalition launched a "Bedroom Tax" scheme designed to further impoverish hundreds of thousands of the most vulnerable families in the UK, and in the very same week handed an average £100,000 a year tax cut to the 13,000 British income millionaires.

Another glaring illustration of the fact that we're not all in it together can be seen in the fact that George Osborne has enforced below inflation 1% pay raises on public sector workers for three consecutive years, yet there is one small group of public sector workers that have been made exempt from this real terms pay cut. That group is George Osborne and his fellow MPs who will get a 12% pay rise, worth £10,000 a year. If we were actually "all in this together" then surely MPs would be treated like any other public sector worker and be made to endure year after year of below inflation pay increases like the rest?

Another example can be seen in the wildly different attitudes to unpaid work. In April 2013 Iain Duncan Smith botched together a ridiculous piece of retroactive legislation in order to undermine an Appeal Court ruling that his mandatory unpaid labour ("Workfare") schemes for the unemployed were unlawful and undemocratic. With direct support from the Liberal-Democrats and de facto support from the Labour so-called opposition the Tory led coalition managed to rush this atrocious piece of legislation through parliament in a matter of hours, meaning that they could continue compelling the unemployed to do unpaid work for corporate interests, all paid for at the taxpayers' expense. Now contrast this with the Liberal Democrat stance on unpaid "internships". The Lib-Dems want to end the practice of giving unpaid internships to youngsters from affluent backgrounds. Thus, if you are poor and desperate, you will be forced to give up your labour rights and work for no wages by legislation passed with Liberal Democrat votes. However if you are lucky enough to come from a wealthy family that can cover your living costs whilst you work for no wage for a massive corporation, national newspaper or major political party, the Liberal Democrats will claim that they are determined to protect you from this kind of exploitation (despite using unpaid interns themselves!).

The most compelling evidence that we are not all in this together can be found when we look at wages. If we were "all in this together", one would expect every sector of society to have endured similarly low increases in their salaries. However the evidence shows us that the opposite is happening. Since the Tories came to power the super-rich have been getting richer at a faster rate than ever, whilst the vast majority of people have seen their wages fall in real terms month, after month, after month.

It should be headline news that the average wage has failed to keep pace with inflation every single month since the Tories came to power (except for one single month - April 2013, when the average wage was dramatically skewed upwards by the £billions in corporate remuneration deferred until after the 50p tax cut came into effect), but the corporate media seem totally disinterested in telling the British people that they are being terribly ripped off.

In 2010 the average salary rose just 0.3%, whilst inflation was measured at 3.3%. In 2011 the average wage rose 1.4%, whilst inflation was measured at 4.5%. In 2012 wages fell in real terms once again, with the average wage increasing by just 1.4%, whilst inflation was measured at 2.8%.

If we take these figures cumulatively, the average wage has increased by just 3.1% since Labour's last full year in office, whilst prices have risen by a supposed 10.1% (I say "supposed" because it is absolutely clear that inflation is a lot higher than the official figures claim). Even if the extremely conservative inflation figures are accepted at face value, this means that the average British family had had 7% of their income eroded away by inflation between January 2010 and December 2012.


Now lets contrast the fortunes of the extremely wealthy. One particularly wealthy group is the corporate executive class. In 2010 executives at the FTSE 100 companies enjoyed average pay raises of 33%, in 2011 they took home record breaking average salary hikes of 49%, and in 2012 the trend of enormous, inflation busting pay hikes continued with average pay increases of 27% for the corporate executive class. [for sources to back these statistics see this article on Wage Repression]

Taken cumulatively, these figures demonstrate that the average corporate executive has more than doubled their salary since the Tories came to power. In fact they are now taking home 251% of what they made during Labour's last full year in office.

In real terms (adjusted for the effect of inflation), the salary of the average worker has fallen by 7%, whilst the salary of the average corporate executive has increased by 141%. Does this seem like everyone is "all in this together" to you?

In light of these facts. How is it possible for anyone to believe the Tory "all in this together" propaganda narrative?

Even though economic demand has been stagnant for years, and the economy still hasn't recovered to pre-crisis levels, it isn't difficult to explain where all the extra cash is coming from to allow these corporate executives to gorge themselves on inflation busting pay hikes every year.

Since George Osborne became chancellor he has cut the rate of corporation tax from 28% to 24% (with an announcement in the 2013 budget that it will be further slashed to just 20%), but instead of investing this tax giveaway in creating jobs or improving infrastructure, the major corporations have used this flow of extra cash to generate shareholder profits (creating the artificial stock market boom) and to fuel the ludicrous inflation of corporate remuneration.

Where has George Osborne found the money necessary to hand out such massive corporate tax breaks? The answer is that he hasn't. He's giving these lavish tax handouts despite running up more additional debt in the last three years than Labour ran up in 13 years in office (which included, lets not forget, the biggest financial sector meltdown since 1929).

Whilst George Osborne has been using the national debt, and the budget deficit as excuses for public sector pay freezes, savage attacks on the welfare state and drastic cuts in public services (police, fire services, local government, libraries, the justice system, the NHS ...) he has simultaneously been lavishing tax cuts upon the corporate classes.

If we can't afford to keep public sector workers salaries from in line with inflation, if we can't afford a humane welfare system and we can't afford things like libraries, bobbies on the beat and local A&E services, how on earth can we afford such lavish corporation tax cuts?

Just think about it for a minute. By 2015 Britain's major corporations will have had their rate of tax cut from 28% to 20% (a 40% tax cut), and the salaries of their corporate directors (if the ludicrous inflation of executive salaries continues as it has), will have more than quadrupled (461%) by the end of 2014.

Ask yourself this: Have you had a 20% tax cut since the Tories came to power, with another 20% tax cut in the pipeline? Has your salary more than doubled since the Tories came to power, and does it look set to near enough double again by Christmas next year? Or are you one of the millions of people that are still paying massive chunks of their salary in regressive taxes (such as Council Tax, fuel duty and VAT) and have seen prices soar way above the rate at which your salary is increasing?

Are you one of the favoured minority that is getting richer at a faster rate than ever in "Austerity Britain"? Or are you one of the suffering majority?

Whichever group you find yourself in, surely you're not credulous enough to take George Osborne's ludicrously counter-factual "all in it together" propaganda at face value are you?

Just think about it for a minute. By 2015 Britain's major corporations will have had their rate of tax cut from 28% to 20% (a 40% tax cut), and the salaries of their corporate directors (if the ludicrous inflation of executive salaries continues as it has), will have more than quadrupled (461%) by the end of 2014.

Ask yourself this: Have you had a 20% tax cut since the Tories came to power, with another 20% tax cut in the pipeline? Has your salary more than doubled since the Tories came to power, and does it look set to near enough double again by Christmas next year? Or are you one of the millions of people that are still paying massive chunks of their salary in regressive taxes (such as Council Tax, fuel duty and VAT) and have seen prices soar way above the rate at which your salary is increasing?

oh for goodness sake .... this verbal diarrhea is clearly catching and best avoided for a while

but i'll re-post my little bit before it gets totally swamped by yet another flurry of slurry ......

to mention something much more constructive and interesting .....

St Mary's Paddington - NHS
we, and especially you lot, are rarely happier than when slinging brickbats at the NHS and our hospitals in general
it is therefore very pleasurable to pass on credit where it's due, for some outstanding service
my daughter was flown back from china in a very poorly way
the following day, she went to St Mary's A&E, where admittedly she had to do her share of waiting
however, once seen, she was passed across to the phlebotomy department where the staff and testing procedure was exemplary in every way

the powers that be are being made very aware of the above by way of a formal letter

Osborne could be considered for the post of a phlebotomist!


He has suck out a look of the blood from the defenseless.

Mind Manuel has probably sold all of his.

Well Im glad to hear about your daughter Cyners positive NHS experience, but for every positive theirs 9 negatives.

Bloke down my local pub a NHS nurse says the system is falling apart here in Kirklees.

Says theirs far too many changes taking place and all at the same time.

Loads of patients left on beds in corridors. A@E like a riot room with lots of foreigners all with rest of their family taking up room and causing slowdowns.

I dare say it isnt like this all over and their will be regional differences but the picture he paints isnt a nice one.

This thread used to be a good and enjoyable read. Not any more, pages and pages of left wing shite. GF are you enjoying your role as Fred the Red's bitch? Come back mate all is forgiven :O)

Fred the Red's bitch

Lol

like i said, you lot (especially) love throwing brickbats, though i would agree there is indeed an awful lot wrong with nhs ...... there would also seem to be swathes of health tourists

however, my great exception to you slurry-spreaders and mud-slingers is that you like to attach the blame solely to the current incumbents, whereas the truth is that the nhs has been short of money and efficiency for at least the last decade, and probably the less said about "who let in the health tourists", the better

Chris C read the header and stop being ignorant. It doesnt suit you.

The problem with bigots is....

The problem with lung disease is, you kind of have to breathe. At least a bit regularly.

And the problem with heart failure is hearts can't really fail. They're just not optional.

The problem with bowel disease is you have to eat. Quite a lot. I've tried stopping, it doesn't really work. And food is incredibly yummy. And it nurtures our souls more than our taste buds let on.

With kidney failure, hours dedicated to satisfying the great dialysis beast allows you to process liquids, which is fairly non-negotiable by anyone's standards.

And the problem with cancer is it doesn't give the tiniest shit which one of us it invades or where.

But the trouble with bigots is, they ignore all of that. They can only see one problem.

"Why is that bloke down the street getting something I'm not? And why should I pay for it??"

sticky - CC has a perfectly valid point ....

this thread is indeed not meant to be subject specific, but it is fast turning (or even has turned) into a tiresome, verbose, political soapbox monopolised by real or pretend or even pretentious socialists, and of course hays, who rises like a trout to every mayfly offered

Manuel,

No. All governments and managements make mistakes.

It is the conceited arrogance of the "Odd Boys" which many object to. Directing policies and actions within the services without respect of those who have worked in the "industries" for numerous years. Basing their changes on ideological miss-theories and diktats and ill-conceived dogma

The so called "health tourist" costs are minor, when you take the overall costs of the NHS.

Also, consider the approximate 2.5 millions Brits floating around abroad in the EU who also may receive medical care and medications.

What this government is doing is scapegoating the bloody "foreigners" (previously. at other times the Jews), the "idle", the socially, or medically impaired for their own failures and greed.

Manuel.

If the thread doesn't come up to your expectations. Bye Pass It.

Yours thoughts on the this thread won't be missed by many and your vanity could probably survive doing so.

If we had a poll the I suspect that RF (aka Red Fred) wouldn't be missed.

If posters dont like this thread set up your own.

I wont promise not to visit you though.

And Ill post within the terms and conditions of the Board as laid down by the management and not some halfpint upstart.