Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

LoL - In your dreams.
Hypocritical as always.

2 lots of people living on the same land.......spells trouble !, ...let's hope that they can bring peace that means something.....no rockets being fired and no shelling, and keep to that promise. If Hamas or others fire rockets ...the Israelis will respond, it's as simple as that.....if there was long lasting peace you would have Jews investing in Gaza and the region would prosper !.

Unfortunately the problem remains religion and ideology. Hamas and Iran in particular are dedicated to the removal of the state of Israel. No truce or peaceful settlement will stop that. It is similar to North and South Ireland only much much worse. I doubt there will be a real settlement in any of our lifetimes.

Then this is depressing that no solution can be found !.

If you read the Bible you will know that the land called Palestine, Jews and Arab was living their.. it was not a Jews state neither the arab it was called Palestine.

2nd who crossified Jesus?.

Anyway I am not with any kind of killing or war I am not with Hamas or Israel or with any one who supports war, I am with the people who support peace, even I know that my words does not do any thing for stopping the war or the killing machine in both places as I know the killing from the devils hand whom we should fight.

But looking to the whole situation I know in fact if 1.5 Mil person lives in a large prison and can't move from a place to another I mean (61 Year in the same situation) in the same teritory not even they can not go to visit their immediate relatives who are few minutes away from them lives across the Israeli fence, also i know for sure that Palestinian people can't build or do any home remodeling or fixing to their own houses unless they got a the permit from Israel, and to get the permit they need to pay very high taxes even with that they do not get it.
I think this is some of the reason why it is dealt in this way,
Do you know that in each Palestinian house has at least one person killed or in the Israeli prison.

you said :-
28 deaths caused by rockets and mortars fired from Gaza into Israel since 2001. including Israelis, Palestinians and foreign workers
1,000+ people in Israel injured from rockets and mortars fired from Gaza since 2001, including Israelis, Palestinians and foreign workers.

Do you know how many infants and women died in the past 10 days in Gasa only, will you please also count the arab people who got killed since 2001.
will you please put the full statistics for both sides not only one side (Israeli side only) for all the items mentioned above
Do you know that Gaza and other Palesinian teritory are big prison, Do you remeber the late Palesinian President Yaser Arafat when Israeli occupied him in his office for months untill his death.

Do you know that Palestine is an occupied teritories.

Do you know that since when the peace process started and what happend to it why till now why their is no peace oh come on for God sake.

PTh. I beginning to think your level of argument is at the same level as Ruth and Gausie.

Please look up the meaning of hypocrite and try and explain to me in which way it applies to me! I am just interested.

Or is your opinion based on ignorance as usual.

There will always be wars.

Fred,

Think about you response to the occupation of Palestine by Syria and especially Jordan. I'm not going to do all your work for you.

I can assure you I am far from ignorant. I don't even read the Sun :)

fahel - please note this is an english language bb - please try to get your posts translated into english before putting them up here. Maybe then whatever points you're trying to make will be intelligible to some of the readers here.

Fahal.your post looked very sensible to a cockney like me.love in a peaceful world is the message.Gausie.the cartoon man.nothing you ever say makes sense..I dont think you have a handle on humanity?and dont go quoting the pastwe live in the presentdidnt you know?
War = An eye for an eye = many blind innocent people..
When involved in a fighttheres no wrong or no rightnobody has the last say!OK!

Thats right Tobasco thank you, you said what I meant in few words, we are in 2009. both should find ways instead of fighting or killing.

Gausie, I sure if you tried a little harder even you would understand his posting.

PTholden, With a bit or help you could read the Sun, I still await your explanation of my hypocrisy.

In this conflict there are no winners -war is dreadful-people get hurt there must be a ceasefire which will protect both populations from each other.

can you trust Hamas? No can you trust Hizbollah? No. Solution-international peacekeeping forces.
Pull the US and Uk out of Iraq and deploy a small fraction of the troops on the borders in Southern Israel.

Once the communities start to prosper economically under this protection,both sides will realise that war is destructive and futile.

Let there be peace.Jews and Arabs are both Semitic and of the same family.

Let them behave as a family for the benefit of the region and of the world.

Israel has so much to offer Gaza -let the Gazans embrace what they have.

Maybe Gausie was feeling a little grumpy last night ;)

Respect to a former yellow jersey holder - and the fact that your perhaps not so good command of our language has not deterred you from writing your thoughts, fahel.

Frankly, I have far more trouble understanding Fred's posts.

Chocoyou know I rate your views very highly.but?Freds post is as obvious as the nose on your faceIm with him all the way..

Sorry for my bad English Lang. I am with Tabasco and Fred with whatever they says.

Fred started this thread on the other side too, tabs.
Would make more sense to have one thread for both, but he thought it would be interesting to compare responses, being of the analytical persuasion.

And you still haven't answered my questions, Fred.

For those who look at BBC4 news, there was an interesting summary of the middle east problems by Jeremy Greenstock. Should be repeated a few times this am.

Choc, Have not intention of answering you question? Concentrate on the arguments not the personalities.

My questions have nothing to do with your personality, Fred.

It is your reasoning that I'm trying to evaluate.
Over the years you have posted on this board - and some of the grave humour content of the bits I catch has made me chuckle - I gather the impression now that your arguments are becoming more irrational.

I asked you about your profession, because I had some recollection of you saying, with some detail, that you'd practised pyschotherapy. Did you not propound a theory of common and personal reality?

Choci, you remind me of a puppy I had. It kept snapping at my ankles until it grew up. Its behaviour was minor irritant only.

I think the views I have advanced which are reality bound.

Perhaps, my opinion is of no account, but is does appear in line with the United Nations present views. (But I suppose when their opinions differ from yours, their opinions are inconsequential or irrational.)

I suggest you find the recent interview of Jeremy Greenstock on BBC news. Below is a synopsis.
A UN Security Council resolution has called for an immediate ceasefire, access for aid workers and a lasting solution to the conflict, but the Israeli government has rejected it.
Speaking to BBC News, the former UK ambassador to the UN, Sir Jeremy Greenstock, said he hoped Israel would stop military operations soon.
"I think it's a good resolution and needs to be implemented but the Israeli army needs to take decisions on the ground under the Israeli government to implement that resolution," he said.
"The tragedy is this military action was never necessary. There has to be a political route out of the trouble."

Again what I find interesting on some of these threads, is who creeps out of the woodwork and how they group together like pack dogs..
Generally, they seem to resort to personal abuse, hoping it diverts from the main argument.

I wonder why?


Let me repeat once more:

Murder and carnage is being carried out in the name of defence.

Some appear to want to tell the bullied to stop it, but allow the bullies to continue!

How much world condemnation does the Israeli government need.

At the UN, even America is backing off in its support of Israels action.