Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

CBS -60 minutes marks the end of two state solution

http://mondoweiss.net/2010/10/60-minutes-marks-the-end-of-the-two-state-solution.html

This seems to resonate what is happening in the ME.

Borrowed quote from Our Oriental Heritage' by Will Durant 1935

"Time sanctified everything; even the most arrant theft, in the hands of the robber's grandchildren, becomes sacred and inviolable property."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11672335

Israel abused Palestinian detainees, say rights group

The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories was established in 1989 by a group of prominent academics, attorneys, journalists, and Knesset members. It endeavors to document and educate the Israeli public and policymakers about human rights violations in the Occupied Territories, combat the phenomenon of denial prevalent among the Israeli public, and help create a human rights culture in Israel.

Israel's internal security service subjected Palestinians to abuse and torture while in custody, according to a report by two Israeli rights groups.

A report by B'Tselem and Hamoked said Israeli agents bound detainees to chairs during lengthy interrogations and insulted, threatened or hit them.

The report is based on interviews with 121 Palestinians held in the Petah Tikva detention centre in 2009.

Israel's Justice Ministry has denied the claims, saying it respects the law.

In a written response to the report's authors, the ministry denied many of the charges, saying interrogations were "conducted according to law in order to prevent illegal activity that would harm state security".

I think the IJM, like the administration is blind in both eyes.

They are aware of infringements of their own "rights" but not those of others.

why don't you two (fred and hayseed) just phone each other to discuss the unfairness of life especially in gaza? ..... no one else seems much interested

btw, did you register that donkey prices in gaza have plummeted 70% since the influx of cheap chinese tuk-tuks through the hamas cash-cow smuggling tunnels from egypt ..... promise it's true

Cynic,

You don't have register your protest.

But, it is interesting how you pop up when anything slightly critical of Israel's actions is written.

If you are not interested in the thread, pass it bye on the other side of the road.

Cynic,

You don't have register your protest.

But, it is interesting how you pop up when anything slightly critical of Israel's actions is written.

If you are not interested in the thread, pass it bye on the other side of the road.

i didn't bother to read what you or hayseed wrote - i almost never do as have better things to do with my life .... was merely curious to see how many others were joining your polemical thread - as i thought; effectively none

my report about the donkey trade was however rather amusing and also, as it happens, accurate as far as i can determine

I see the OCD sufferers are at it again.
Their recent absence suggests incarceration in a high security mental establishment.
Those psychiatrists have a long and unhappy record of releasing their demented charges back into the community.
They've done it again.

Is Camerons Britain preparing to kowtowing to the Israel's government?

Strange how Israel seems to feel it has the right to assassinate who it wishes to in any country it chooses to, but not accept the laws of those not country.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11681989

Israel halts 'dialogue' with UK over war crimes law
William Hague William Hague is paying an official visit to Israel and the occupied territories
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Israel is postponing "strategic dialogue" with Britain over defence and security issues, an Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman said.

The move is a protest over attempts to use British law to prosecute visiting Israeli officials for alleged war crimes, the spokesman added.

The news comes on the first day of an official visit to Israel by the UK's Foreign Secretary William Hague.

He will also be visiting the occupied territories.

An arrest warrant was issued through UK courts for Israeli former Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni in December last year. The warrant was granted by a London court at the request of Palestinian plaintiffs, provoking Israeli anger.

It was revoked when it was found Ms Livni was not visiting the UK.

The Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman denied that the latest development was a deliberate "ambush" to humiliate Mr Hague.
Continue reading the main story Analysis Paul Danahar Middle East Bureau Chief

The timing of this announcement will have raised eyebrows on the British side, because the UK feels it is working hard to meet Israeli concerns over this issue.

Western diplomats are often frustrated by the way the Israeli foreign ministry works - it has a record of making statements which embarrass and frustrate Israel's allies and friends.

But diplomats say what is said and done by the Israeli Foreign Ministry is often at odds with the Israeli prime minister's position.

That reflects one of the anomalies of the very fragile coalition government in Israel.

Earlier this week it was reported that Israel's Intelligence Minister, Dan Meridor, cancelled a trip to Britain amid concerns that he risked being arrested on war crimes charges.

Israel has expressed anger that, in the past, ministers and senior military figures have had to cancel visits to the UK because of concerns that pro-Palestinian groups might use the courts to seek their arrest over Israeli military action in Gaza, or this year's raid on a Gaza-bound aid ship in which nine Turkish activists were killed.

Pro-Palestinian campaigners have tried several times to have Israeli officials arrested under the principle of universal jurisdiction, which holds that some alleged crimes are so grave that they can be tried anywhere, regardless of where the offences were committed.

************************The BBC's Wyre Davies said the news that Israel was postponing an annual round of strategic talks with Britain was potentially embarrassing, even though the Conservatives have already promised to amend those laws which could expose visiting Israeli politicians to arrest.
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The Israeli Foreign Ministry said the issue would be at the top of the agenda during Mr Hague's visit.

Fred- Israel assasinates those who have a history of violence towards israel and its citizens. Those that carry out those acts do so in the knowledge that Israel will track them down and put them out of their misery.
Remember the police station in ramallah where 2 reserve soldiers were savagely murdered and their bodies flung from the 1st floor-well the guy who came out showing the blood on his hands is now sharing seventh heaven with his virgin brides.

"Israel assasinates those who have a history of violence towards israel and its citizens. Those that carry out those acts do so in the knowledge that Israel will track them down and put them out of their misery.
Remember the police station in ramallah where 2 reserve soldiers were savagely murdered and their bodies flung from the 1st floor-well the guy who came out showing the blood on his hands is now sharing seventh heaven with his virgin brides. "

:) :) I didn't know that. That's put a smile on my face :)

A few weeks ago some nasty settlers (yes, ALL countries have unpleasant citizens !) attacked a village on the West Bank and some Korans were burnt as a result.
A group of local rabbi settlers were so incensed and embarrassed by their fellow settlers' actions they went to the village and apologised and gave them brand new Korans.
Of course you never read anything positive on this thread, only the rantings and hatreds of Nazis, anti-semites and the obsessed.
ALL PEOPLE, ALL NATIONS HAVE THEIR GOOD AND BAD PEOPLE AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. Get it?

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are you sure it wasn't koreans that got burnt?

Most of the Israeli West Bank settler violence is conducted while the Israeli forces stand by to prtotect the settlers and often to assist them.

sounds like a quote from the guardian newspaper !

"sounds like a quote from the guardian newspaper ! "

Well, haycrapper only reads......guess what......crap

guardian is only read by the hampstead bleeding-heart liberals and they're all jews anyway

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conceded - i guess there are also enclaves in St John's Wood, Golders Green, Leeds etc!