Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Revealed: The civil servant in the Home Office’s PIE funding inquiry and his academic articles on boy love.

If this theory is borne out, then the Daily Mail’s vendetta against Harriet Harman, Jack Dromey and Patricia Hewitt will fade into insignificance; the suggestion here is that, through a senior civil servant, successive governments including that of Margaret Thatcher (who the Mail loves so stridently) funded the Paedophile Information Exchange using taxpayers’ money – a far, far more serious issue.




Revealed: The civil servant in the Home Office’s PIE funding inquiry and his academic articles on boy love
Posted on March 1, 2014 by David Hencke


A former top civil servant who later went on to write academic articles on the love between men and boys in ancient Greece and in Benjamin’s Britten’s operas is at the centre of a Home Office inquiry into whether he sanctioned taxpayers’ cash to fund the Paedophile Information Exchange.

Clifford Hindley, who died some five years ago, was head of the Home Office’s Voluntary Services Unit from at least 1979 until 1983, which is now under investigation after a former civil servant has alleged there may have been a ” cover up ” over a grant re-application from PIE.

Reports in Exaro News and The People reveal today that the Home Office inquiry under permanent secretary. Mark Sedwill is examining recollections from the whistleblower that when he raised questions about why the Home Office should fund such an organisation Mr Hindley brushed this aside and asked him to hand over the paperwork. This happened around 1979 and 1980.

This has raised the question - as the whistleblower thinks it was a re-application -whether the Callaghan Labour and Thatcher Conservative governments actually funded PIE just at the time when the National Council for Civil Liberties was also supporting the organisation, Such a decision would be far worse than the present row going on between the Daily Mail and Harriet Harman, Labour’s deputy leader, over her role at NCCL. It would mean that taxpayer’s cash has been given to fund paedophiles.

The whistleblower originally contacted Tom Watson MP who passed him on to the Home Office.
Last night Tom Watson said: “It’s a remarkable state of affairs and the Home Secretary must make sure a ­report is presented as soon as possible.

“If the allegations are true, it shows how insidious an organisation PIE was that they could even convince the Home Office to give them taxpayers’ money.”

Investigations by Exaro revealed that Mr Hindley, an assistant secretary in Whitehall, holds degrees in classics and philosophy from Oxford University and a degree in theology from Cambridge.

Exaro has also found articles and book contributions written by Clifford Hindley after he retired for academic and music magazines – all entirely on same sex relationships between men and boys.

His contribution to the Cambridge Companion on the composer Benjamin Britten is entirely on emphasising the love relationships between boys and men in his operas – a view that is challenged by other experts on Britten. as too extreme.

He has also written articles on the Greek historian and pupil of Socrates, Xenophon, again entirely on love between men and youths – either in the army or in society.

Ian Pace, a lecturer in music at City University, where he is head of performance, and a researcher said: “It is very hard to deny that there are pederastic themes in some of Britten’s operas, most obviously The Turn of the Screw and Death in Venice (mirroring such themes in the original literary works of Henry James and Thomas Mann respectively); and arguably also in Peter Grimes and Let’s Make an Opera (The Little Sweep).

“Some of Hindley’s writings on Britten certainly show a strong interest in such pederastic elements.”

An example is his description of the relationship between the ghost Quint and the boy Miles in the Turn of the Screw.

Hindley writes: “‘Quint is not a monster but one who opens fascinating new opportunities to the imaginative boy. Also fundamental is the fact that their relationship is one of homosexual love. It is presented as an emotional and mutually responsive relationship, in which the physical element is barely hinted at. It is nevertheless a bond of the kind rejected by conventional society’.”

The Home Office were not giving anything away about the inquiry – though it sounds as though documents – particularly from the Thatcher era – appear to be missing on anything to do with PIE.

At the moment a search is on to find out whether a dead man files will disclose a highly damaging fact that the vile organisation the Paedophile Information Exchange was actually funded by the government.

This is all pointing to THATCHER.

For those who want a balanced view and informative article regarding the the problems in Crimea:

The crisis in Crimea could lead the world into a second cold war

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/02/crimea-crisis-russia-ukraine-cold-war


Would advise Manuel not to read it, as the words are probably too difficult and maybe his concentration is not up to it.

at the moment, i do not pretend to understand quite what is going in ukraine .... i have no idea who actually fomented the current unrest, as assuredly it was not spontaneous

certainly the russkies are a bunch of bully-boys, though in some ways, uk reacted similarly in the falklands

on the other hand, what is the affiliation if any of the new guys who have taken over?

until it becomes a little clearer, i shall take no sides, but nevertheless, there is no doubt that the current situation is destablising at best

Europe is on the brink of war but.....Goldfinger is more bothered about knocking Mrs Thatcher .......it's unbelievable.....pages of it.....cracked !....(if you want a good laugh)(if that's possible in these dire times)...try and read through it...

From my post 37190 (before the escalation in Crimea) re Labour grandees involvement with P.I.E.
''perhaps if they were Tories and not Labour this board would have seen a deluge of posts from the usual red brigade''.
Not a word from gf about the 3 Labourites, a bit different now there may be a Tory involved.
2517

absolutely so, though i still think it's just a rather unpleasant smear campaign

RF.

I think GF is responding to the "delight" that some had in muck raking and smearing by association.

One of the political charms of the Mail and adherents, is its use of innuendo of politicians who have different views.

Unfortunately, this mode of "debate" has increased and it is no surprise that retaliation is in a similar vein.

-whether the Callaghan Labour and Thatcher Conservative governments actually funded PIE just at the time when the National Council for Civil Liberties was also supporting the organisation,

The Callaghan Labour party . Did you miss that Goldie

I tell you one thing : a JKX (based in the Ukraine) short might be on the cards !...shame because it's a good little company....

Its mostly Gas that is exported to other countrys , and Russia can turn the pipe line off

RF isnt it strange you blues all want to go quiet when the tables are turned on you.

Fact is Thatchers involvement with PIE was far more serious than the 3 labour MPS involvement.

Like I said when boots on other foot the tory boys run away and go into hiding.

By the way RF this isnt the first time you have made personal nasty snipes at me. Ive tolerated them so far and responded in good faith.

But remember this you shouldnt say things on the net that you wouldnt say to a persons face.

it really is extraodinary how a few of you plankheads remain transfixed with some non-event bit of scandal surrounding a few non-event uk politicians when thje ukraine situation couid evolve into something far more serious for all

little things obviously pre-occupy little minds

I'm not making snipes at you : just look at your blogs Goldfinger....nothing but indoctrinated Labour adverts...I'm sorry but your monopoly of this thread wrecks any kind of normal debate on other subjects...most selfish !..

Ps....what I say on here : I would be delighted to say to their faces !...

I agree with you Cynic !...

Aldwick....yes....I fear a crash for that share...

RF YOU dont set the agenda here we as individuals do. SEE THE HEADER.

If you dont like something skip around it.

For days on end we have had to endure the smear campaing posted here by Daily Mail supporters.

Today the truth as outed and you dont like it. Thatcher is at the very heart of it.

As for your second point well then put your DM messenger up and we can arrange to sort this out.

cynic
I am not sure how you can compare the Ukraine with the Falklands. We were not the aggressor, by were defending the invasion by Argentina. The Falklands were and are British territory. The Ukraine is not Russian terrority and has not been for years.

I see the conflict as lot to do with Putin's wish for Ukraine to have a totalitarian government as an adjunct to Russia. Putin was the head of the KGB and likes control. He is essentially a gangster.

Interestingly, one of the possible sanctions that is being considered is to seize billions of dollars that Putin has stolen and secreted abroad, particularly huge investments in property in the US.