Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

In The Land of the B

Are you saying that you are objective?

LOL

I refer you to your post 3725 above. It is hardly the post of an objective person. It is more the post of someone preaching violence.

"Israel assasinates those who have a history of violence towards israel and its citizens. Those that carry out those acts do so in the knowledge that Israel will track them down and put them out of their misery.
Remember the police station in ramallah where 2 reserve soldiers were savagely murdered and their bodies flung from the 1st floor-well the guy who came out showing the blood on his hands is now sharing seventh heaven with his virgin brides.

:) :) I didn't know that. That's put a smile on my face :)"

Sure is a recommendation for Israeli Administration's standards if they are responsible.

Can understand why there is no progression to peace in that area.

Very pleasant pictures on pages 6 and 7 of the Mail this morning. ISLAM WILL DOMINATE THE WORLD .Yes these guys waving these placards in London.

Talk about British tolerance. Try doing this in an Islamic country-demonstrating .You wont be seen again.

I fear that islam may well dominate the world and indeed this beautiful country of ours. Only the EDF and the BNP openly state their opposition. And that is what is so sad-2 racist parties attracting support.

It would seem, to me, more reasonable to raise the standards of "Tolerance and Democracy" of the countries you "maybe" referring to, than to lower our standards to theirs.

Re-watched the The Nazis "A Warning from History" on The Yesterday TV channel.

Interesting, to see that Fascism evolved from similar economic conditions as we are in at present.

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NM.

Thank you.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with the sentiment of your post.

I can see why some die out of exasperation.

post 3745 - economic hardship frequently leads to demands for protectionism and/or nationalist movements and/or the "identification" of a scapegoat .... while nazism was certainly a result of this, such manifestations are not necessarily right wing and a number of genocidal instances could possibly or even probably be laid at this same door

Good God,

Cynic, has written something sensible at last.

Have to watch out he is catching up at last.

By the way, stop reading my posts!

Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs and Deputy Prime Minister of Israel

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/lieberman-is-kahane-and-even-the-right-senses-it-1.320219

Lieberman will stop at nothing. He will use the rostrum of the UN General Assembly to undermine his own PM, mount a campaign speech for domestic consumption, and lend credence to those who condemn Israelis for unwillingness to make peace.

Is anyone on the mainstream Jewish right anyone at all willing to speak in defense of Avigdor Lieberman, the bully in the china shop of Israel's relationship with its Arab minority?

He will stop at nothing. He will use the world's premier platform, the rostrum of the United Nations General Assembly, to simultaneously undermine his own prime minister, mount a campaign speech intended for domestic consumption, and lend credence to those who take Israelis to task for being unwilling to make peace.

The right certainly should have known. The former nightclub bouncer from Moldova behaves for all the world like a former nightclub bouncer. A man, who confessed to and was convicted of threatening a 12-year-old boy, conducts affairs of state like a man capable of physically assaulting a 12-year-old boy.

The man who has spoken in the past of "erasing" parts of Palestinian Jericho and of drowning Palestinian prisoners at sea, and who suggested that Arab MKs who met with Hamas be executed, has become Israel's representative to the world community.


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And how do they view Lieberman now? The best indication may have come in a poll published at the weekend. Asked - and the very question says a great deal about the current atmosphere in Israel - "Who among politicians contributes the most to the rise in trends of extremist nationalism, to the point of fascism?" fully 60% of Israelis responding answered "Avigdor Lieberman."

What other democracies in the middle east have the freedom of speech that allows radical anti-government publications such as ha-aretz to flourish? Long may it continue.

Plenty of dark things are done under the banner of democracy.

More complete tosh from Fred: "Interesting, to see that Fascism evolved from similar economic conditions as we are in at present. "

The hyper-inflation of the Weimar Republic doesn't bear any similarity to today. At least, I haven't noticed anybody heading to Tesco lately with a wheelbarrow full of currency to buy a loaf of bread.

Perhaps in downtown Harare . . .

Added to the above, hyper inflation with its wheelbarrows of cash only happened from 1919 to 1923. Fascism started really during World War I and was based partly on the writings of Karl Marx and a few other left wing intellectuals. There was some right wing politics added much later and finally A Doctrine of Fascism (1932) was written by Benito Mussolini or rather it was ghost written for him. The concept was state control. The nearest we have reached it in recent times is whenever the Labour Party are in power - tax and spend and the rising nanny state.

Hays,

Wait a few years and judge the current British government.

FRED - i can't be bothered to read all the earlier ramblings, but are you saying that this or any government is responsible a rise in nationalism or somesuch? ...... if so, total balderdash ..... such movements can only flourish if there is a significant minority (or even majority) who decide to follow or accept its principles

"Fascism started really during World War I and was based partly on the writings of Karl Marx and a few other left wing intellectuals. "

.....and no doubt was the father of the Molotov-von Ribbentrop love fest.

Great to have the clown with hay in his hat and the fried brain idiot both posting.

This thread gets more and more hilarious LOL

i've now forgotten a lot my german history, but there was strong nationalist movement in germany (still really just a kleinstaatrei at the time) in the early/mid 19th century

Cynic,

Not certain what you are suggesting.

I use to think that governments lead and the mob follow.
Now, sometimes, I think the government look at the mob and pick the current fashionable thought, or thoughts and claim it/them for their own. Slightly modifying these thoughts and regurgitating them back at the mob, through their various PR, or propaganda machines. Hoping, to manipulate the mass, in order to stay in power. Populism!

Applies, to tories, Labour and now more and more to the Lib/Dems..

Again, I doubt many leaders of the present governing cabal believe many of their own slogans.

Another thing, is that rather than give any real authority to the mass, (or perhaps the middle classes) the elite in the present period is trying to maintain power, by denuding itself of as much responsibility as possible and putting itself in position to blame others for its own failings.

(Local level administration given responsibility without adequate funding or powers. (Devolving of responsibilities, etc. which are not wanted by a smaller elitist government.)

Looking over the last 20-30 years, I feel there has been a deterioration of political morality in Britain and more and more importance is based on glib remarks, and catch phrases. I am sceptical of earlier periods and certainly dont think they were pure, but watching at the moment, you can see the intense concentration which is place on presentation and various forms of PR.

The government is concentrating more on packaging, rather than content and this is why you are seeing them frequently back tracking on their chosen policies.

Governments can manipulate the public and do so. In times of economic stress and fragmentation of the public it becomes easier.

There were many reasons for Hitlers rise to power, but the rise was partly because his propaganda and promises were popular with the middle classes and mainly due to the economic problems in Germany at that time.

His propaganda machine utilised the period to gather enough power to put him in place allowing his corruption to flower.

The C+P cut from Wikipedia below shows many similarities to the late 1920 and later periods.

Camerons claims for the need for Strong Government, demonization of Those on Wealth-fare, the unemployed, foreigners. (It is not the Jews this time.)

Try switching Left for right in the paste. The actions remain similar and they aim at same power at the expense or others.

An attempt of government to develop a blind eye, by not being responsible.


Fascism (pronounced /ˈfɪzəm/) is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2][3][4] Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy.[5][6] Fascism was originally founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I who combined left-wing and right-wing political views, but it gravitated to the political right in the early 1920s.[7][8] Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right of the conventional left-right political spectrum.[9][10][11][12][13][14]

Fascists believe that a nation is an organic community that requires strong leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.[15] They claim that culture is created by the collective national society and its state, that cultural ideas are what give individuals identity, and thus they reject individualism.[15] Viewing the nation as an integrated collective community, they see pluralism as a dysfunctional aspect of society, and justify a totalitarian state as a means to represent the nation in its entirety.[16][17]
They advocate the creation of a single-party state.[18] Fascists reject and resist the autonomy of cultural or ethnic groups who are not considered part of the fascists' nation and who refuse to assimilate or are unable to be assimilated.[19] They consider attempts to create such autonomy as an affront and a threat to the nation.[19] Fascist governments forbid and suppress opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement.[20] They identify violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality.[21]

Fascism rejects the concepts of egalitarianism, materialism, and rationalism in favor of action, discipline, hierarchy, spirit, and will.[22] They oppose liberalism (as a bourgeois movement) and Marxism (as a proletarian movement) for being exclusive economic class-based movements.[23] Fascists present their ideology as that of an economically trans-class movement that promotes ending economic class conflict to secure national solidarity.[24] They believe that economic classes are not capable of properly governing a nation, and that a merit-based elite of experienced military persons must rule through regimenting a nation's forces of production and securing the nation's independence.[25] Fascism perceives conservatism as partly valuable for its support of order in society but disagrees with its typical opposition to change and modernization.[26] Fascism presents itself as a solution to the perceived benefits and disadvantages of conservatism by advocating state-controlled modernization that promotes orderly change while resisting the dangers to order in society of pluralism and independent initiative.[26]

Fascists tend to support a "third position" in economic policy, which they believe superior to both the rampant individualism of laissez-faire capitalism and the severe control of state socialism.[27][28] Italian Fascism and most other fascist movements promote a corporatist economy whereby, in theory, representatives of capital and labour interest groups work together within sectoral corporations to create both harmonious labour relations and maximization of production that would serve the national interest.[29] However other fascist movements and ideologies, such as Nazism, did not utilize this form of economy.[29]
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I hope I am wrong!

ITLOTB
Try reading about fasciism. Here are a few links and references.

http://www.arcaini.com/ITALY/ItalyHistory/RiseOfFascism.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

"Fascism was originally founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I who combined left-wing and right-wing political views, but it gravitated to the political right in the early 1920s."

Italian Fascism and most other fascist movements promote a corporatist economy whereby, in theory, representatives of capital and labour interest groups work together within sectoral corporations to create both harmonious labour relations and maximization of production that would serve the national interest.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20080214/ai_n21416731/

a bit like the Labour party and socialists

The fascists were completely against individualism in general and especially against individualism in a free market economy. Their agenda included minimum wage laws, government restrictions on profit- making, progressive taxation of capital, and "rigidly secular" schools.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Doctrine_of_Fascism

sounds like the Labour government

The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist Statea synthesis and a unit inclusive of all valuesinterprets, develops, and potentiates the whole life of a people.

That is the theory, but the result is a totalitarian state saying it protects the individual, but actually protecting the "elite". Which in many ways is how the some of the present administration see themselves.

In practice Fascism and Communism copy the practices of one another due to similar underlying motivation.