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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Haystack - 07 Nov 2010 12:49 - 3760 of 6906

ITLOTB
Try reading about fasciism. Here are a few links and references.

http://www.arcaini.com/ITALY/ItalyHistory/RiseOfFascism.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

"Fascism was originally founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I who combined left-wing and right-wing political views, but it gravitated to the political right in the early 1920s."

Italian Fascism and most other fascist movements promote a corporatist economy whereby, in theory, representatives of capital and labour interest groups work together within sectoral corporations to create both harmonious labour relations and maximization of production that would serve the national interest.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20080214/ai_n21416731/

a bit like the Labour party and socialists

The fascists were completely against individualism in general and especially against individualism in a free market economy. Their agenda included minimum wage laws, government restrictions on profit- making, progressive taxation of capital, and "rigidly secular" schools.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Doctrine_of_Fascism

sounds like the Labour government

The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist Statea synthesis and a unit inclusive of all valuesinterprets, develops, and potentiates the whole life of a people.

Fred1new - 07 Nov 2010 14:10 - 3761 of 6906

That is the theory, but the result is a totalitarian state saying it protects the individual, but actually protecting the "elite". Which in many ways is how the some of the present administration see themselves.

In practice Fascism and Communism copy the practices of one another due to similar underlying motivation.

cynic - 07 Nov 2010 14:30 - 3762 of 6906

FRED - your posts are far too verbose, but i read the first sentence ..... you forget that gov'ts are as tolerated by the populace, and that even applies to totalitarian regimes, though in the latter, there has to be an overwhelming groundswell for a change to have any chance of being effected ..... it follows that (for example) hitler's rise to power could only occur because the german people's economic situation became intolerable - a bit of a simplification i grant you, but sufficient for the purpose

aldwickk - 07 Nov 2010 14:51 - 3763 of 6906

Yes Fred anything you say Fred Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Fred1new - 07 Nov 2010 17:01 - 3764 of 6906

Cynic,

I am sorry you have such a short mental time span. I would think a little too late for you to improve it.

But without wishing to clarify even further, I relate you back to what I wrote.


"There were many reasons for Hitlers rise to power, but the rise was partly because his propaganda and promises were popular with the middle classes and mainly due to the economic problems in Germany at that time.

His propaganda machine utilised the period to gather enough power to put him in place allowing his corruption to flower."


AlD,

Never thought of you as the most alert of individuals. Signs of deterioration are getting more apparent every day.

cynic - 07 Nov 2010 17:58 - 3765 of 6906

fred - i am perfectly capable of reading things that i think worth the effort ..... i am afraid most of your stuff does not qualify

Fred1new - 07 Nov 2010 21:56 - 3766 of 6906

I thought you promised not to read any of what I write!

Getting forgetful as well!

cynic - 07 Nov 2010 22:06 - 3767 of 6906

one sentence doesn't count .... unless it's a life sentence

Fred1new - 08 Nov 2010 09:35 - 3768 of 6906

8-)







You must be a member of the Simpson Family.

aldwickk - 08 Nov 2010 09:47 - 3769 of 6906

Fred must be a member of the Simpleton Family

Fred1new - 08 Nov 2010 15:25 - 3770 of 6906

HO, HO!

Haystack - 12 Nov 2010 13:06 - 3771 of 6906

The London based Palestinian Return Centre is to hold on Friday a workshop during which Professor Salman Abu Sitta will be launching "The Atlas of Palestine 1917-1966" in which he uses documents to "prove rights and to correct wrongs."

Professor Abu Sitta will redraw the contours of Israeli landscape by documenting the erasure of Palestinian history and the ongoing Nakba.

He will map the history of Palestinian Exile. The presentation will provide a historical and forensic analysis of the mechanism of expulsion, which began in 1947 and continues even today. It will also provide graphic illustrations of the policy of expulsion which he has documented in his new atlas. The atlas contains names and descriptions of Palestinian villages that have been destroyed. It also provides names, description and location of Palestinian villages which Israel does not recognize, some of which have recently been under attack to force their residents to move elsewhere.

Many Thousands of Palestinians still carry deeds to their lands and properties. The towns and villages from which they were expelled have been erased from Israeli Maps. Israeli maps also fail to document existing villages that have existed long before any Israeli settlements. Unrecognised villages are denied any basic services from the government.

Professor Abu Sitta is founder and President of Palestine Land Society (London), author of : "The Atlas of Palestine 1948", 2005, "The Return Journey", 2007 and "From Refugees to Citizens at Home", 2001 and "The Atlas of Palestine 1917-1966", 2010 and General Coordinator of the Right of Return Congress.

Chairman of PRC Majed al-Zeer stressed that the launching of this Atlas is important in terms of time and place as Britain bears special historical responsibility for creating the Palestinian problem and the resulting suffering of the Palestinian people during a period which is covered by this distinctive academic work.

As to the timing; al-Zeer said that this work comes to reinforce the Palestinian inalienable rights at a time when there are frantic attempts to liquidate the Palestinian issue through an unjust "peace process".

In The Land of the B - 12 Nov 2010 15:17 - 3772 of 6906

"Fred must be a member of the Simpleton Family "

Oh don't leave haycrapper out !

Haystack - 12 Nov 2010 17:30 - 3773 of 6906

The anti Nazi League merged into Unite Against Fascism. This is a bit odd as the Anti Nazi League was set up by the socialist workers Party. If there is anything more Fascist than fascists then it must be socialists. That is apart from Israel which behaves worse than the Nazis.

Gausie - 12 Nov 2010 17:44 - 3774 of 6906

For heaven's sake man! Either get an education or a spell checker!

Haystack - 12 Nov 2010 18:15 - 3775 of 6906

Only three spelling mistakes. Not bad for my typing.

In The Land of the B - 12 Nov 2010 23:19 - 3776 of 6906

"For heaven's sake man! Either get an education or a spell checker! "

Since he, in his own words, refuses to be objective, what makes you think he wants to do anything which challenges his own hatreds and blindness?

In The Land of the B - 13 Nov 2010 00:05 - 3777 of 6906

OMG ! It's just dawned on me. There's no hope for the haycrappers and fried new brains of the world after all.
YOU CANNOT HELP YOURSELF OR IMPROVE IF YOU'RE CRASSLY STUPID TO BEGIN WITH !

Haystack - 13 Nov 2010 00:34 - 3778 of 6906

LOL

There is no hope for the ones who cannot see how badly Israel behaves.

Haystack - 13 Nov 2010 00:35 - 3779 of 6906

A report issued by the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) said in its monthly report that the Israeli occupation authorities demolished 313 Palestinian structures in the first ten months of 2010.

The report also highlighted the settlers' disruption of the olive harvest in the West Bank and the effects of the Israeli war on Gaza on the olive harvest there:

"The olive harvest, which officially began in October, was repeatedly disrupted by violent attacks from Israeli settlers. During the month, over 3,700 olive trees were burned, uprooted, killed with chemicals or otherwise vandalized."

" the Gaza Strip, most of the olive groves that existed in areas up to 1,500 meters from the fence with Israel (17 percent of Gazas territory), were uprooted during Israels Cast Lead offensive and the incursions conducted on a regular basis since then (including 19 this month). Access to the remaining trees in these areas is prevented by Israeli forces, through the opening of warning fire of live rounds. In October, 11 civilians were injured in these areas, including one elderly farmer who was picking olives. None of these cases has led to the opening of an investigation."

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