Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

That's the technical answer Haystack and you're quite right. I just hope he gets a minimum of 15 years.

Sensationalist, NWO tripe...perhaps, but it makes more sense than the rubbish shown on the gogglebox.



The Looting Of Ukraine Has Begun


March 6, 2014


Paul Craig Roberts



This supporter of the Ukraine joining the EU has received her reward: a 50% cut in her pension.

According to a report in Kommersant-Ukraine, the finance ministry of Washington’s stooges in Kiev who are pretending to be a government has prepared an economic austerity plan that will cut Ukrainian pensions from $160 to $80 so that Western bankers who lent money to Ukraine can be repaid at the expense of Ukraine’s poor. http://www.kommersant.ua/doc/2424454 It is Greece all over again.

Before anything approaching stability and legitimacy has been obtained for the puppet government put in power by the Washington orchestrated coup against the legitimate, elected Ukraine government, the Western looters are already at work. Naive protesters who believed the propaganda that EU membership offered a better life are due to lose half of their pension by April. But this is only the beginning.

The corrupt Western media describes loans as “aid.” However, the 11 billion euros that the EU is offering Kiev is not aid. It is a loan. Moreover, it comes with many strings, including Kiev’s acceptance of an IMF austerity plan.

Remember now, gullible Ukrainians participated in the protests that were used to overthrow their elected government, because they believed the lies told to them by Washington-financed NGOs that once they joined the EU they would have streets paved with gold. Instead they are getting cuts in their pensions and an IMF austerity plan.

The austerity plan will cut social services, funds for education, layoff government workers, devalue the currency, thus raising the prices of imports which include Russian gas, thus electricity, and open Ukrainian assets to takeover by Western corporations.

Ukraine’s agriculture lands will pass into the hands of American agribusiness



more: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/03/06/looting-ukraine-begun/

They need an austerity plan as the president that has run away stole billions of dollars and run the country into the ground. The Ukraine is broke to the tune of at least $50b. They need money. They will get some cash from the EU and some from the US. That will last a couple of weeks. What they really need is an IMF loan which will come with conditions. Those conditions involve a strong measure of austerity.

face up to it .... putin has no intent of allowing ukraine to escape being a russian satellite ..... he knows full well that no one will take any decisive let alone pre-emptive action to prevent this - and in all honesty, i don't think anyone should

for sure, there'll be a lot of huff and puff by "the west" and eu, but most assuredly no unanimity with regard to action to take - so there will be none

germany would seem to have most at risk, as i think she gets a lot of gas through ukraine, but she'll fight her own battle

lol, good one Fred :-)

I see that "The bus pass Elvis party" has beaten "The Lib-Dems".....it just shows doesn't it.....what a cracking party they are.....I mean...how do you vote for them ?.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26452298

They are a back up group for the Kipper party!

I think Russia has an upper hand in all aspects, mainly that people in Ukraine will have a more secure future.

None of the countries which removed their leaders has a better situation. Start from Iran, Iraq, to Bosnia, Algeria, ... to .... Egypt.

So, it will not be better for the country, for their people and for the world.

Ukraine is in a better position, in that there is not the same religious tensions.

Yes, not religious tension, but sectorial tension!!! Turkey is becoming involved which makes the situation more difficult later.


All these extreme right and nationalist groups are not fighting against each other YET, mainly because each one hopes it will run the country after the election. I think the problem will show itself after the election and the whole Europe will regret for taking side over there.

Ahoj,

Germany (Hitler), Italy (The Mousse), Spain(Franco) , Portugal (Salzaar),, Russia (Stalin) to some degree), Romania (Nicolae Ceaușescu), Greece etc........

Before looking at Latin American countries.

But the bear still squeezes.

RF.

Remember.

The Elvis party has the loony right as the back up band with Cash as its leading instrumentalist.

Could even have a haze as a competing soloist!

will the present crew in ukraine actually allow a fair election?
don't be surprised if russia gets its paw in there either

Who are the new crew, where did they come from, who appointed them?

We know where the Russian side came from, but who's the new techcrat crowd purporting to represent the Ukrainians?

Elections are scheduled. The parliament has not really changed. They voted a new prime minister in and voted the president out. The new members of the government are people with previous experience of government. Even the previous president's supporters in parliament voted for constitutional change by over 300 out of 450 deputies. That is over the 2/3 majority that is required. The previous president never got even close to that sort of figure. It should be a reasonably peaceful transition.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-26487092

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2564637/Ed-Balls-challenges-George-Osborne-run-marathon-discovering-5-2-diet.html

Ahoj and Haystack...NOBODY should agree with an invasion....the Russian leadership have pointed a gun at the Ukraine.....It is UNACCEPTABLE THAT ANY COUNTRY SHOULD BEHAVE LIKE THEY HAVE !....why didn't the Crimea vote to join the Russian Federation before this ?.....the West is a pain in the neck as well, l the way I see things....Politicians just want everybody to go back to watching TV....X factor, Eastenders, brushing everything under the carpet...me.... I want to ship what's needed to resistance out there...(if there is any)...HOW CAN THEY STAGE OLYMPIC GAMES IN THESE CIRCUMSTANCES ?....it is a disgrace that they have not been cancelled....

It could be that this Malaysian aircraft has been the victim of a bombing...terrorist attack....terrible....never complain about airline security !...the more there is, the better for all of us !...