Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

I am afraid that stories individuals committing suicide have little relevance. They were clearly unbalanced and may have topped themselves anyway.

If thats the case Hays why as IDS STOPPED COMPILING THE SUICIDE STATS........he stopped counting them in late 2012.

What does he have to hide/fear?????????

I don't even know if he did stop compiling the figures. It makes no difference. The people were clearly unbalanced to start with.

Heres a stat for you..........

#3 bluesky 2013-12-05 20:39
Lets not forget the 10'600 sick/disabled who lost/took their lives in 2011 due to the harsh regime that is the work capability assessment administered by ATOS/DWP.. We will remember them..

gf
You really are so gullible and trot out false figures. The TOTAL suicides in the UK in 2011 was around 6,000. Your figure is supposedly a sub group of that figure.

You need to be more discriminating about what you read and believe.

Hays making it up as he goes along as usual.

Another ESA-related death but the DWP wants us to believe there’s no connection

The latest person to die while facing a change to his sickness benefit is Neil Groves, who was hit by a train at Surbiton station on his 46th birthday.

Mr Groves died just after 7.30pm on February 13. His father Ronald, 78, told local paper the Kingston Guardian a potential change to his son’s Employment and Support Allowance “must have” weighed on him.

He said: “He has obviously had it in his mind. They basically told him that his assessment was coming up again.

“He knew it probably would be the end of his sickness and disability and he would go back on to [Jobseekers' Allowance].

“He said he would not be able to manage on that wage a week. It is all part and parcel of it.”

Mr Groves had received Incapacity Benefit for some years, his father said, which was stopped after an assessment, and he was not moved on to ESA.

He later won an appeal against the decision.

He had recently been diagnosed with chronic depression.

You can read the story on the newspaper’s website.

The DWP, in an email to the Information Commissioner that was copied to yr obdt srvt as part of the disclosure process for the forthcoming tribunal on claimant mortality statistics, has stated: “There is no evidence of a link between the death of an individual and their receipt of a social security benefit.”

Do you think that’s accurate?

Economy 'to hit 2008 peak by summer'
The size of the UK's overall economy will surpass its pre-recession peak by this summer, says the British Chambers of Commerce.

The DWP, in an email to the Information Commissioner that was copied to yr obdt srvt as part of the disclosure process for the forthcoming tribunal on claimant mortality statistics, has stated: “There is no evidence of a link between the death of an individual and their receipt of a social security benefit.

Absolute tosh and propaganda being spread by IDS and his miserable department.

I feel like committing suicide sometimes when I read this thread.:-)

Yep thats correct alders but what you have to remember is we are next to last in the race to get to the 2008 figure.

Just Italy behind us and FRANCE in front of us.!!!!!!!!!!

USA miles out in front.

SKY NEWS put the chart up this lunch time. And the analyst wasnt over bubbling with confidence.

Just goes to show Ed Balls was right all along.

The suicide rate was the one published by the Samaritans. There has been a rise since the start of the recession as there always is with previous ones.

Yes but things like this cannot be hidden in a civilised rich country Doodles.

More and more this government are hiding and supressing bad news and not just on welfare, on everything that seems to pass through their office.

Last week eg, MR Rock.

They wanted to keep it quiet and thought they would get away with it until the Daily Mail were tipped off.

They were hardly keeping it quiet when it was number 10 that referred the situation to the police. It is also not for number 10 to publicise the situation when it is still being investigated by the police.

Hays your constantly in denial.

The Mail have Camorons number, in fact I think he as upset someone there.

They seem to be after him.

Hays so whats the excuse for the supressed imigration report??????????

Bare-faced Lies, Bluff and Bullshit Are All Iain Duncan Smith Has Left As Millions Suffer
Posted on March 9, 2014 by johnny void

IDS The list goes on and on. The Public Accounts Committee, the Institute for Fiscal Studies, the Office for National Statistics, the National Audit Office, the Archbishop of Westminster, even the Tory dominated Policy Exchange and coalition partners the Lib Dems, all of these people are wrong or lying said the increasingly bewildered Iain Duncan Smith in a rare appearance on the Sunday Politics this morning (starts at 13.20).

Much of the interview concentrated on the launch of Universal Credit, which has seen just a few thousand people start on the new benefit and tens of millions squandered due to bungled IT systems. It is difficult to know for sure just how badly the launch of Universal Credit is going wrong, but IDS did admit that the new system will now not be fully in place until 2018.

Whilst Iain Duncan Smith can bullshit his way out of awkward questions on the launch of Universal Credit – mainly because no-one, including him, knows what the fuck’s really going on behind the scenes – he quickly resorted to outright lies when asked about other benefit reforms.

The Work Programme is working according to the Secretary of State, despite the appalling performance figures which are getting steadily worse as time goes on*. IDS then lied that the companies running the scheme don’t get paid until someone has been in work continuously for six months. In truth providers receive an up front start fee for everyone who joins the Work Programme. Long term unemployment is falling he then claimed, yet the most recent figures from the ONS show that the number of people who have been out of work for over two years is up 9000 from a year earlier. He then bluffed that the scheme was better than any programme run by the Labour Government, which would hardly be a ringing endorsement even if it were true, and it isn’t.

On the Bedroom Tax IDS pretended that he didn’t mean it when he hauled the family of a disabled child through the appeal courts in an effort to overturn a ruling on a spare bedroom. Astonishingly he said he now agreed with the court decision that he spent our money appealing against. He then claimed that the courts had backed the Government on all the decisions relating to disabled adults facing the Bedroom Tax, completely ignoring a string of recent benefit tribunal decisions where local authorities lost bedroom tax cases.

On Housing Benefit overall, he lambasted the amount spent on the benefit under Labour whilst avoiding the stark fact that the number of people needing to claim for help with their rent hit an all time high last Summer. The Housing Benefit bill will only get bigger as less people qualify for social housing under new rules, and even those who have them are forced into the private sector due to the Bedroom Tax.

When quizzed about Tory think-tank the Policy Exchange’s recent mild criticism of benefit sanctions, IDS claimed they’d got their figures wrong. In perhaps his most bare-faced lie, he blustered that people who have had benefits sanctioned can ‘immediately’ and ‘straight away’ get a payment from the Hardship Fund. In truth most claimants have to wait 15 days before Hardship Payments are available (PDF – ref: 35300) and even then not everyone qualifies for this meagre support . He then claimed the DWP had a billion pounds to support people facing benefit sanctions, including Crisis Loans. He seems to have forgotten that he abolished Crisis Loans in April last year.

Finally IDS was asked about child poverty, which he repeatedly claimed was falling despite an enormous fucking graph behind his head which showed the exact opposite. According to IDS this discrepancy is because the IFS, who produced the figures, measure poverty according to the “marginal income line” – in other words how much money someone has. In future child poverty will be measured according to Iain Duncan Smith’s ever changing personal prejudices. He says he will produce new figures showing that the number of poor children is actually falling just as soon as he can be bothered to make them up.

Iain Duncan Smith is now barely even pretending to tell the truth as his welfare reforms unravel in every direction. It is a pitiful sight to watch, but the impact of his delusions are tragic. People are dying because of Iain Duncan Smith. Families are becoming homeless and children going hungry, whilst sick and disabled people are being driven to despair. Rarely has one man’s arrogance caused so much suffering. There is no more damning indictment of our so-called democracy then a dishonest and callous fool like Iain Duncan Smith being able to claw his way to power over millions of lives.

*the most recent Work Programme figures were sneaked out in the Christmas break and I didn’t have the time to cover them. They showed that the steady decline in the number of successful job outcomes is continuing

Is it my imagination or is Milibland sounding more stupid lately? I watched spouting the latest Lab policy and he appeared to becoming a cartoon of himself.

i recollect that the french economy is still shrinking though their tax rates and unemployment are spiralling, and the italians have never had a truthful base from which to work, so as usual, they'll just make it up as they go along

actually, the italians will most likely concoct some figures about their olive groves that will allow them to strip another few €m from the eu farm subsidy funds, or somesuch

cynical as ever. The poor put upon Italians!

Hays so whats the excuse for the supressed imigration report??????????
assuredly it did not show the requested conclusion
BUT
i also have a feeling that it relates to NON-EU member immigration
if so, it does not address the concerns of joe public