Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Hays your constantly in denial.

The Mail have Camorons number, in fact I think he as upset someone there.

They seem to be after him.

Hays so whats the excuse for the supressed imigration report??????????

Bare-faced Lies, Bluff and Bullshit Are All Iain Duncan Smith Has Left As Millions Suffer
Posted on March 9, 2014 by johnny void

IDS The list goes on and on. The Public Accounts Committee, the Institute for Fiscal Studies, the Office for National Statistics, the National Audit Office, the Archbishop of Westminster, even the Tory dominated Policy Exchange and coalition partners the Lib Dems, all of these people are wrong or lying said the increasingly bewildered Iain Duncan Smith in a rare appearance on the Sunday Politics this morning (starts at 13.20).

Much of the interview concentrated on the launch of Universal Credit, which has seen just a few thousand people start on the new benefit and tens of millions squandered due to bungled IT systems. It is difficult to know for sure just how badly the launch of Universal Credit is going wrong, but IDS did admit that the new system will now not be fully in place until 2018.

Whilst Iain Duncan Smith can bullshit his way out of awkward questions on the launch of Universal Credit – mainly because no-one, including him, knows what the fuck’s really going on behind the scenes – he quickly resorted to outright lies when asked about other benefit reforms.

The Work Programme is working according to the Secretary of State, despite the appalling performance figures which are getting steadily worse as time goes on*. IDS then lied that the companies running the scheme don’t get paid until someone has been in work continuously for six months. In truth providers receive an up front start fee for everyone who joins the Work Programme. Long term unemployment is falling he then claimed, yet the most recent figures from the ONS show that the number of people who have been out of work for over two years is up 9000 from a year earlier. He then bluffed that the scheme was better than any programme run by the Labour Government, which would hardly be a ringing endorsement even if it were true, and it isn’t.

On the Bedroom Tax IDS pretended that he didn’t mean it when he hauled the family of a disabled child through the appeal courts in an effort to overturn a ruling on a spare bedroom. Astonishingly he said he now agreed with the court decision that he spent our money appealing against. He then claimed that the courts had backed the Government on all the decisions relating to disabled adults facing the Bedroom Tax, completely ignoring a string of recent benefit tribunal decisions where local authorities lost bedroom tax cases.

On Housing Benefit overall, he lambasted the amount spent on the benefit under Labour whilst avoiding the stark fact that the number of people needing to claim for help with their rent hit an all time high last Summer. The Housing Benefit bill will only get bigger as less people qualify for social housing under new rules, and even those who have them are forced into the private sector due to the Bedroom Tax.

When quizzed about Tory think-tank the Policy Exchange’s recent mild criticism of benefit sanctions, IDS claimed they’d got their figures wrong. In perhaps his most bare-faced lie, he blustered that people who have had benefits sanctioned can ‘immediately’ and ‘straight away’ get a payment from the Hardship Fund. In truth most claimants have to wait 15 days before Hardship Payments are available (PDF – ref: 35300) and even then not everyone qualifies for this meagre support . He then claimed the DWP had a billion pounds to support people facing benefit sanctions, including Crisis Loans. He seems to have forgotten that he abolished Crisis Loans in April last year.

Finally IDS was asked about child poverty, which he repeatedly claimed was falling despite an enormous fucking graph behind his head which showed the exact opposite. According to IDS this discrepancy is because the IFS, who produced the figures, measure poverty according to the “marginal income line” – in other words how much money someone has. In future child poverty will be measured according to Iain Duncan Smith’s ever changing personal prejudices. He says he will produce new figures showing that the number of poor children is actually falling just as soon as he can be bothered to make them up.

Iain Duncan Smith is now barely even pretending to tell the truth as his welfare reforms unravel in every direction. It is a pitiful sight to watch, but the impact of his delusions are tragic. People are dying because of Iain Duncan Smith. Families are becoming homeless and children going hungry, whilst sick and disabled people are being driven to despair. Rarely has one man’s arrogance caused so much suffering. There is no more damning indictment of our so-called democracy then a dishonest and callous fool like Iain Duncan Smith being able to claw his way to power over millions of lives.

*the most recent Work Programme figures were sneaked out in the Christmas break and I didn’t have the time to cover them. They showed that the steady decline in the number of successful job outcomes is continuing

Is it my imagination or is Milibland sounding more stupid lately? I watched spouting the latest Lab policy and he appeared to becoming a cartoon of himself.

i recollect that the french economy is still shrinking though their tax rates and unemployment are spiralling, and the italians have never had a truthful base from which to work, so as usual, they'll just make it up as they go along

actually, the italians will most likely concoct some figures about their olive groves that will allow them to strip another few €m from the eu farm subsidy funds, or somesuch

cynical as ever. The poor put upon Italians!

Hays so whats the excuse for the supressed imigration report??????????
assuredly it did not show the requested conclusion
BUT
i also have a feeling that it relates to NON-EU member immigration
if so, it does not address the concerns of joe public

Cyners, the SKY news article showed France above us.

They put a chart up and we were second from the bottom.

Try and catch it later tonight, they usualy repeat the news items.

DB,

Nobody is likely to stop you.

Some may even offer you assistance in your quest!


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Hays,

You are really out on a branch.

Why not fall off it!

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IDS is a disaster but suitable bully boy for the present tory leadership.

Many are in favour of welfare reforms, but not in the way this government it doing them.

Why not send the failures to a concentration camp.

It is Clegg that delaying the immigration report. He says it is too political. He is of the view that immigration is good for the UK.

labour and labour
these guys, indeed all politicians, are a hoot
labour say they'll raid the pensions of the rich - some things never change - to create and guarantee start-up jobs for the unemployed .... if the targets refuse the jobs, then they lose benefits

excuse me, but where's the difference between the two parties, other than one wants to make a silly political point of raiding pension funds?

here you are ...... a bit more on the above .... it is marginally edited, but if you read the whole, you'll see i have changed nothing ..... as i said, labour are an absolute joke, offering no more at all that the present bunch

it's funny, but i also regularly hear the usual suspects berating the present regime for only offering part time work and/or at minimum wage

Labour is including a £5.5bn "jobs guarantee" in its manifesto under which the long-term unemployed will be told to take up taxpayer-subsidised work or lose their benefits.
The scheme will see those under 25 given jobs for six months, with 25 hours a week paid at the minimum wage. ......
Private companies and voluntary sector organisations will be given incentives to provide the jobs by the offer of a wage subsidy. They will also be given £500 to provide an additional 10 hours a week of training.

I have just got hold of a copy of the Imigration reportThe 10 areas of Britain with the highest concentration of Viking ancestry are:

Bloody Vikings comming over here and stealing our jobs , and look how the crime rate as shot up, send them all back . And those Normans are just as bad [ you don't fool me , I know your really French ]

1. Shetland - 29.2%
2. Orkney - 25.2%
3. Caithness - 17.5%
4. Isle of Man - 12.3%
5. Western Isles - 11.3%
6. North West Scotland and Inner Hebrides - 9.9%
7. Argyll - 5.8%
8. Yorkshire - 5.6%
9. North East Scotland - 4.9%
10. North England - 4%

It remains to be seen if any companies want an employee for just six months. There are also restrictions regarding which jobs can be filled. I find it difficult to see where they can find enough jobs that need doing for a temporary period. Companies don't use staff that way.

Any idea how much "wage subsidy" is on offer?

Cynic what on earth are you talking about.

Its a far better work programme than that which exists now.

And it will cost more money but the pension funds it attacks are those who earn over £150 thousand per year and a bank bonus tax.

You really need to check out the present governments long term unemployment scheme were so called apprentices spend the first 2 months of the prog learning how to create a CV.

Hays the idea is for the companys to retain them, you burk.

GF.

Don't be so polite to Manuel.

He is not used to it.

Interestingly, the Normans were originally Vikings.

The companies are not going to retain them. They will be getting employees who have never worked before, people who don't even want a job, people who are unemployable and some that might make good employees. If companies actually wanted people they would just employ them. There are restrictions so that jobs that were going to be filled anyway are not eligible otherwise companies could get a subsidy for all new employees.