Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

There were interviews on Sky and BBC last night with potential employers for Miliband's scheme. There was no liking for it from any of them. The reaction was the same from each that they would take on people when they needed them as they expanded. There is a requirement in the scheme that the jobs cannot be preexisting vacancies or just to get people to do mundane tasks. How are they going to police the system without an army of civil servants to administer it.

The only companies that will be interested will be mass retailers to get people to stack shelves and unload products.

ahem! rather what I wrote yesterday, but then not exactly rocket science
you can't create jobs from thin air

on a first hand knowledge basis ......
I was delighted to hear that a young chap who I know has been sent on an English and maths course to improve his chances of being employed .... as with so many, he completely screwed up his time at school, and without this enforced "course for benefits" he would have remained pretty much unemployable
even better, his self-esteem has now been boosted for, as he said, "I'm not nearly as thick as everyone has said for years that I am."

bob crow
I dare say one is only meant to speak well of the dead, but I shall not
the politest thing I can say of him is that he was a humourless shit when he was alive so hope he finds something to laugh about now he's dead
I shall not remotely mourn his passing, any more than I would arthur scargill

a side benefit is that there may well be one more property to add to the impoverished council housing stock

Alders left holding the baby............................ABG. Usually get a couple of PWs per year so thats one out of the way.

Flogged the lot.

Not getting emotionally attached I always sell up and move on take note what Id done wrong and look for next winner.

Must add that news seemed to come from nowhere but a bloke posted on advfn thread they were going to sell after the market closed yesterday.

Dont know where the news came from.

Not a big loss as I had a nice little profit until this morning.

Going to concentrate on Cheltnham now this week.

cynic
Crow's extended family live in the council property so they will continue with it.

ohhhhhhhhhhh dear ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh dear TORIES AT IT YET AGAIN.

Is their anyone in that party that tells the truth.?????????????????????????????

Nigel Evans sex abuse trial: Tories ‘knew about senior MP’s gay sex assault, but kept it quiet before election’



The former Deputy Speaker Nigel Evans was warned by senior Conservative Party figures including its then Chief Whip, Patrick McLoughlin, to modify his drinking and predatory sexual behaviour four years before he was charged with the alleged rape of a student, a court heard on Monday.


Mr Evans, 56, who is accused of sexually assaulting seven men, was described as a “very well-known and powerful individual” who would prey on young people with ambitions in politics.

Preston Crown Court heard the attacks happened at a variety of locations around the Palace of Westminster.

Although allegations were aired at the most senior levels of the Tory party, police were not called until the alleged rape of the student in March 2013 was drawn to the attention of the Speaker, John Bercow, who alerted detectives.

A year before the 2010 general election, Mr Evans was advised by Mr McLoughlin, now a minister for transport, to come out as gay, the court heard. This followed an alleged assault on a parliamentary aide who claimed the Tory grabbed hold of his penis as he slept at his home in Pendleton, Lancashire, which was also reported to Tory whip Michael Fabricant.


The alleged incident was also discussed with Iain Corby, Corby, managing director of the Policy Research Unit, Mr McLoughlin and his deputy John Randall. The jury was told that the timing was considered “unfortunate” because it was less than a year before a general election.

It was agreed that Mr Evans should not resign – despite the wishes of the alleged victim that he do so – but would seek help for his drinking and that he should “not put himself in situations which could be misconstrued”. He was then told that he should come out as gay, said Mark Heywood QC, for the prosecution.

Mr Evans was warned a second time about his behaviour, this time in 2010, by fellow MP Conor Burns around the time of the Speaker’s election. “It was suggested that he socialise with MPs and not with young people or researchers,” the court heard.

It was alleged that parliamentary aides and party workers were sexually abused over a period of 10 years. The alleged attacks took place at the Tory party conference, in a bar, corridor and office of the House of Commons as well as at Mr Evans’ Lancashire constituency home.

Opening its case at the start of the five-week trial, the prosecution said Mr Evans, who denies all the charges against him, was often drunk and would trade on his influence to press home his sexual attentions. “Part of his influence included the ability to make, or to break, the careers of young people who would be politicians or work for those who govern,” Mr Heywood said. His actions were “repeated over time, despite warnings”, he added.

It was alleged the first indecent assault occurred between 2002-03 and involved an openly gay 27-year-old man. At the time Mr Evans was shadow Welsh Secretary and it was claimed he put his hands down the trousers of the younger man in a Soho bar.

The second incident was said to have taken place in the early hours at the Number 10 bar of the Imperial Hotel in Blackpool during the 2003 Tory party conference. The alleged victim was drinking with a journalist friend when a “plastered” Mr Evans approached them and again put his hands down his trousers. The matter was reported to a member of the Conservative Party Board and Mr Evans was escorted to bed by Mr Burns, who later became an MP, and Nirj Deva MEP.

The matter was referred to Mark Hoban, then a junior whip. Although the party worker was “clearly upset and considered that he was a victim of a sexual assault”, he did not want the matter referred to the police or to become a disciplinary matter.

A third alleged attack occurred between 2009 and 2010 and involved a 21-year-old bisexual student who, it was claimed, was confronted by Mr Evans in a corridor outside the Strangers Bar in the House of Commons. He was beckoned behind a curtain where the older man tried to kiss him. No further complaint was made.

The jury also heard that in the summer of 2009 a young man, who had initially contacted Mr Evans on Facebook while he was a student studying politics, accompanied the MP to his constituency home. On the second night of his stay he had been with Mr Evans and an aide at his local pub before returning to his home with a group of others. During the night it is alleged that Mr Evans fondled the young man as he slept under a blanket on the sofa. He pushed him away and the MP apologised. The matter was later referred to Mr McLoughlin, then the Tory Chief Whip – described by the prosecution as “the man in charge” – the court heard.

A fifth alleged victim claimed he was sexually assaulted shortly after the general election after drinking in a bar at the Commons. It was around the time Mr Evans was fighting his successful campaign to become Deputy Speaker and he was part of a group of MPs drinking.

Mr Heywood said: “Suddenly without warning, invitation or cause the defendant reached out with his right hand and physically cupped [his] genitals through his clothing,” he said. “The defendant did not seem to react and just carried on as if nothing had happened,” he added.

The sixth sexual assault was alleged to have occurred in 2011 in Mr Evans’ speaker’s office where he had a small bedroom. The alleged victim and a number of MPs were present. The younger man was lured by “a ruse” to a kitchenette where, Mr Heywood said, he grabbed his hand and forced it on to his erect penis.

The final incident involved a student who had first met Mr Evans when he was aged 15. He was invited in 2013 to dinner with other guests at Mr Evans’ constituency home. When the others left it is alleged he was groped by the MP, who then followed him upstairs and guided him into his bedroom.

There, it was claimed, he tried to kiss and fondle the younger man, who repeatedly tried to move and brush his hand away. The prosecution said he feared confrontation and locked himself in the toilet where he sent a series of text messages to another of Mr Evans’ alleged victims.

One said: “Help me.” Another said: “Nigel has tried to stick his tongue down my throat three times,” while the other said “100 per cent penis grabbing”. Later in the night he awoke to find Mr Evans astride his back. The younger man “froze in shock” and he was raped, the court heard.

“Mr Evans was not aggressive or particularly forceful,” Mr Heywood claimed, adding that he had been wearing a condom. He then allegedly tried to force him into performing oral sex. “I’m really, really tired and you have church,” he is alleged to have told the older man.

The trial continues.

TORIES yet again supressing news and BEFORE THE GENERAL ELECTION.

Just how low will these scumsters stoop.

bob crow ... I feared that might be the case
not entirely sure about the morality of being able to pass on council housing to other than say one's spouse

what think you sticky?

Never mind Bob Crowe what about all these Gay Tories and the supression of news which could have effected the outcome of the General Election.

Dont talk to me about Morals first we have Mr Rock now we have Mr Evans, plus a new pollout today showing a new high reached on Tories being out of touch......51% now and condemnation of the 6 Eton Boys putting together their manifesto.

Tory ethics and sleaze at its worst.

Fact is Labour dont need to win the next election they should just sit back and watch the Tories throw it away.

Ive never ever seen a scummier shower than the present lot.

Time Heseltine, Clark, Letwing got the boys on the back benches together and slung Camoron and Osbourne out before its too late.

I have lost count. Is the Miliband 6 months job pledge the fourth or fifth project that Labour have said that they will spend a bankers' bonus tax on? Has Ed Balls been using his special calculator where 1 divided by 5 equals 5. It seems to work just as well if you raise the 5 to any number.

sticky - you are getting like fossy .... try answering my specific question about the passing on of council housing to one's extended family

https://www.gov.uk/council-housing/types-of-tenancy

Transferring your tenancy

Secure and flexible tenants may be able to transfer a tenancy to someone else, or, in some circumstances, pass on a tenancy to someone when they die.

Secure tenancies granted before 1 April 2012 can be transferred or passed on only once. For example, if you take over a tenancy when someone dies, you can’t pass on the tenancy to someone else when you die.

Joint Tenancies

If one joint tenant dies, the tenancy continues for the surviving tenant(s).


Some secure and flexible tenancies granted from 1 April 2012 may mean you can transfer or pass on your tenancy more than once - check your tenancy agreement.

Cyners he as much right as anyone else.

Simple as that.

I dont know the rules and regs but if they are actualy living in the house are you really saying they should be asked to leave?????.

Have they lived their in the past eg, as children and moved as they got older??

I dont know the circumstances and Im dammed sure their are more important things in life politics and economics that need putting to right.

Well their you are Hays as posted the terms and conditions. (posts crossed)

Are they breaking rules?

If they are they should be kicked out.

Not kicked out just because it doesnt suit your ideology.

Fact is Labour dont need to win the next election they should just sit back and watch the Tories throw it away.

Come on Cyners answer my last question what have they done wrong??????

I think just as much Nigel is and gargoyle emblem for the Kipper party, Nigel is also emblematic of the current tory party.

Hazie and Manuel get down on your knees for one of your leaders.

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What is not strange is Manuel's and Hazie opinion which as usual seems based on bile and little knowledge of Crow himself, paint a different picture of him from those who knew him.

Like the little etonian mob destroying the decent standards of the country they seem to be detached common reality.

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GF,

Was Labour only 6% ahead of the cons.

Should give them an 60+ majority.

But I agree Labour doesn't have to do much other than watch the torrid party turn on itself and implode.

Indeed indeed Fred.

Labour can just sit back and watch the bafoons make a complete cock up of everything.

Its that easy, it really is.

8-)

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He Hee HEEE!

That is old etonian!