Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Fred, your analogy of a boy with a catapult and Hamas' indiscriminate use of rockets to terrorsie the Israeli population is quite frankly pathetic. I can only assume you would be happy for a terrorist organisation to drop a few bombs on your house or that of friends and family because by their own actions have become oppressed?

Hamas is committed to the destruction of Israel (as are other countries and organisations). It's a little difficult to enter into any sort of dialogues until that intent is rescinded. I suggest you read the article posted by Exec (and others) to gain some sort of perspective. Despite my limitations, it is easy for me to perceive that as usual, you are portraying yourself as somewhat restricted in your thought process. Those chips must be getting very heavy ;)

Gausie, with the same history as the Palestinians, it is quite likely in my youth that I would have resorted to the same actions to draw attention to the obvious abuses by various Israeli governments.

Look at some of the Israeli terrorist in the 1940 especially Ben-Gurion's actions in the period up to 1948.

If I was in the same time warp, as some in Israel seem to be, with an eye for an eye ideology, I would use as many rockets as it takes to draw world attention to the ceaseless abuses of UN mandates.

oh dear. I thought as much.

So you do, in fact, condone the rocket attacks.

If you were my neighbour and used this sort of physically violent armed response every time I had a loud party, or a guest of mine parked across your front drive then I'm afraid you wouldnt last 5 minutes. Physically attack me or my kids with lethal weapons then I'll do my best to restrain you. And if I couldn't restrain you and you continued to be a lethal threat then I'd quite happily rip your throat out - and no court in the land would blame for doing so.

OK Fred I think they have had the worlds attention for at least the last week on a grand scale ... so why are they still firing the rockets if thats all they were after ?

Lost any sympathy I may have had for them.

Gausie, You have espoused your values and limitations. It seems you have similar moral stances as the present Israeli and Hamas leaders are demonstrating.

By the way, you challenge me earlier with do you wish to declare an interest.. I have replaced did by do, but the question is still pertinent.

Fred

Your comments have made my mind up for me - I have decided to attend the rally this evening in support of Israel's right to defend itself against rocket attacks.



Date: 07 January 2009
Time: 19:45 - 21:30
Location: Israeli embassy, Kensington - next door the Royal garden hotel
Street: Palace Green, W8 4QB
Town/City: London, United Kingdom

Show your support for Israel's right to defend and protect itself from terrorists such as HAMAS. All over the world we see the media covering the Palestinians protesting against Israel's so called attacks and targeting of innocent civilians.

To all people who are attending, security and police will be present. We all have a right to protest in this country and this is to show support for Israel and its right to defend itself against world recognized terrorists.

Please ignore all anti-Israel comments and posts as these will be deleted as soon as possible. Thank you.

We have been asked by the Police and security services to advise anyone attending this event, who will be using the Tube, should arrive via Gloucester Road Tube Station and walk up through Gloucester Road/Palace Gate to Kensington Road.

( all people attending are welcome to bring there own banners, Israeli flag's & Union Jack flag's, as long as they are not offensive etc.. )

Wave a Welsh flag for me mate , they got my support too.

Dil - I only have one, and it's burnt.

Ch4 Media is very one sided in thier reporting anyone would think HAMAS were just blowing bubbles .

UK schools use to teach history .I dare not say what I'm thinking

Fred's views amaze me.

In his opinion:-

1. The use of lethal force to attract world attention is OK - He'd have done the same.
2. The use of lethal force to defend against lethal force is unacceptable to him.

Can anyone make sense of this?

G

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge? was Fred's second question in the header.

Fred - what was your former profession?

I've rarely seen such parroting of hard left pro-extremist anti-Israel Nazi-like propaganda slogans as from Fred today. Hamas, Hizbollah, LeT, AQ, they would all be proud of him. As would Goebbels and his democratically elected Fuhrer.
No-one and nothing is going to change his mind. Facts do not get in the way of such self-opinionated blind drivel.
I'm not in the habit of making unpleasant statements about anyone but I see he makes personal insults about the intelligence of anyone who doesn't see things his way. Typical of those who look and only see what they choose to see, and disregard the rest.
I have seen much better and balanced reporting on the conflict on Al-Jazeera TV news than in Fred's Goebbels-speak. That says it all.
You cannot discuss rationally with the irrational - it's as simple as that.
And you can sneer and insult me all you like, Fred. It's of no consequence. Any respect I ever had for you has evaporated.
Richard

Richard
I was about to write something similar re Fred and his inability to see any other opinion, but u have written it so much better than I could. I totally agree with your comments.

Personally, I think that Fred delights in provoking this sort of argument. I'm quite convinced that he enjoys every minute of the outrage that he seeks to foment.

Where's Ruth when you need her :-)

It is not strange that the majority of the UN don't agree with the views written above by Gausie and cohorts.

It is not strange that the views expressed from various European governments don't seem to laud the ongoing Israeli aggression.

I think that many of you would be wiser if they spent a little time looking at the recent history of the Middle East. (the last 80 years would do). Also, it may help to reread that which I have actually written and consider it before responding like headless chickens.

Choc, as stated before, I consider myself a journeyman. This stems from a job I had when I was sixteen. It was putting a spike on the last dram of a journey before it made its way up an incline.

Like many of my jobs I have learnt a lot from those around me. My education still continues and is not stuck in false ideology.

Fred, it was not a fatuous question.
My memory isn't so great on this sort of thing - were you a doctor in the medical field, and if so, which one?

MM. Again, you are to a certain degree right. (The ageing process is helping your development; perhaps, there is hope for you yet.) You are right, I do like to see the flags people fly under, or hold allegiance to.

I have to admit in the 1950s I had a sneaking admiration for the Israel and its development. I work with a colleague for 10 years without realising he was Jewish and then for another 10 or so years. He was very able, and in general, we got on well. Also, over the years I have had a number of Jewish friends. I think the majority of them would hold similar views about the present problems as I hold.

Unfortunately, my admiration for Israel has grown smaller over the last 30 years and still continues to diminish. Not for the individuals who make up a population, but what is done as a collective body in their name.

Probably, you wont understand this posting either. But there may be a few out there who do.

Fred,

If, as you claim, you really have learned so much from those around you over the years, it might be worth noting that your views really aren't shared by the majority on this thread. I do hope you'll learn, because at the moment you're out on a limb with fruitcakes like George Galloway and Annie Lennox.