Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Sounds like a suitable coupling.

sticky - as "your" own paper admits, hammond has not acted illegally in any way at all, so start again, though you may find the moral stance a little tricky having already written loud, clear and unequivocally, "He as much right as anyone else" about someone else

the amount of garbage deposited daily on this thread is mind-boggling .... it is staggering quite how much yardage has been added since i went out in the sunshine this morning

Manuel,

Hammond!

But he is still made of the same substance as you are!

Mind the problems the UK have are all due to the unemployed and the basic wage being to high!



Anyway, I thought you would be in court supporting Nigel. How is he doing?

cynic - 12 Mar 2014 16:09 - 38079 of 38080

the amount of garbage deposited daily on this thread is mind-boggling----------ends

YES most of it comes from you and the Aberdeen ass licker Christine Carson.

Splitting tax between husband and wife is not immoral. It has been happening for as long as I can remember. Everyone I know splits their income that way if they have a business. My wife did some admin for my business and as a result I was employing her. I chose to pay her the same as me. That way you minimise tax.

tut tut sticky
suggest you do your homework before accusing :-)

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just done a little 5-minute exercise of posts for today only
"yardage" posted pp - unkown
garbage posted pp - depends who is judging
posts - 50 (very convenient)

of these 50, no less than 18 are from good friend sticky!
hays is a distant 2nd with 6 posts
cynic, fossy, max, rf, aldo - 4 each
remainder of 6 posts from 5 contributors

So as Hammond lays countless members of the armed forces off and into poverty he himself helps himself to a by all means increase in income on top of his ministerial salary...........yes manuel and Hays that sounds fair.

Anyway it wont be happening come mid 2015 when the labour government move from a earnings Tax system to a asset Tax system and at the same a REDISTRIBUTION of wealth.

Its coming boys so you had better make provisions to move abroad.........may I suggest Afghanistan.

May I also suggest you take ass licker Christine Carson with you.

yet again sticky, you have decided to distort what i actually wrote ..... i know you'll find it much too much like hard work to even look back a few pages(!), so herewith ....


sticky writes yesterday, "He as much right as anyone else."

well so does this chap, and even the mirror admits there was nothing illegal in the manoeuvre
however, in this instance, i certainly concur with the mirror that as a tax wheeze in the public eye, it was pretty indefensible ..... but legally, it is no different at all from Bob Crow and his council house

so to repeat, "He as much right as anyone else."

Just done an exercise on the "250 consider Trading thread"........didnt bother counting the posts the trading material posted their was to say at least sub standard.........make no wonder Hillary (old goat) as to keep poping down from the premium board to put them right all the time.

Lacking leadership, now please remind me whom the thread author is!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bob Crow isnt a minister of the government preaching austerity that isnt and shouldnt have been needed as is pointed out by no other than George Soros today.

Hammond is just a penny pinching crook along with his wife and is using a tax loophole that shouldnt exist.

But Like i said yesterday all labour have to do is sit back and the tories will hand them the next general election on a plate.

Hammond's tax arrangement only saves him £200/month. That's hardly earth shattering or even very much.

You need to worry more about Philip Green who put his Top Shop business in his wife's name. She lives in Monaco, so there is no tax on dividends. It saved him close to £1b in one year on his dividends. He lives in Monaco as well and flies in on Monday mornings by private jet for the week. That is all legal as well.

Of course Philip Green did all his tax adjustments under Labour.

£200 a month is enough to feed 4 YTS trainees or should I say LOL ohhhhhhh LOL apprentices.

As for Philip Greeen we will catch him or at least make it so that he cant visit these shores again which will really shatter him and dont think it wont.

Yes under Blair.

You forget Hays dim wit, I was supporting the Conservative party at the time.

sticky - stop being a wriggly worm ..... you really can't bear being shown up - yet again, i'm afraid - for distorting what i have written, and just resort to silly antics to try to divert attention

Councils using controversial lie detector tests to catch benefit fraudsters
'Voice risk analysis' being used by 24 English authorities at a cost of millions – despite scientists' claims that it 'does nothing'

Randeep Ramesh, social affairs editor
The Guardian.

Local councils are using voice risk analysis software against benefit fraudsters, even though the Department for Work and Pensions has dropped the technology.

More than 20 councils have used or plan to use controversial lie detector tests to catch fraudulent benefits claimants, even though the government has dropped the technology having found it unreliable.

Responding to freedom of information (FOI) requests, 24 local authorities confirmed they had employed or were considering the use of "voice risk analysis" (VRA) software, which its makers say can pick out fraudulent claimants by listening in on calls and identifying signs of stress.

Although in 2010 the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) announced it had given up using VRA software, the FOI responses show some councils have been spending millions of pounds on it.

Local authorities have continued to use the system to check whether people are honestly claiming the single person council tax discount, which allows single adults to pay 75% of the amount levied on a family.

Tory-controlled Derbyshire Dales said it had taken part in a county-wide review of council tax in 2011 that had used the technology – a contract worth £280,000 to Capita.

The same company was hired by Labour-run Southwark in south London and was paid £2.5m over three years. IttThe council says VRA technology "was used as one tool to assist in determining the customers' eligibility for the discount".

The council said it did not record how effective the scheme had been, but did say that its real worth was in making the public aware that it would crack down on benefit cheats. A council minute last year records: "Although [VRA was] used in a minority of cases, a significant amount of publicity was received that assisted in communicating to residents the council's intention to remove discounts if property occupancy could not be evidenced."

VRA is supposed to detect signs of stress in a caller's voice by analysing short snippets of speech, and is still used in the insurance industry to catch fraudsters. But critics say the system is not powerful enough to distinguish cheats from honest callers.

A number of councils – Redcar, Middlesbrough, West Dorset and Wycombe – said they were convinced of VRA's merits and were considering using it in the future.

False Economy, the trade union-funded campaign group that put in the FOI requests to more than 200 local authorities, told the Guardian: "It says a lot about council outsourcing – and the benefits-bashing agenda – that this pseudo-scientific gimmick is now making its way in through the back door. Capita is a firm with a long rap sheet of expensive failure. Neither they nor their technological snake oil should be trusted."

There have been complaints from claimants who were assessed using the technique. In South Oxfordshire two people formally protested after having their voices tested in 2013. The council says that Capita's system helped reduce the number of people claiming the single person discount by 3%, and it would consider using it again.

Voice risk analysis has been mired in controversy since scientists raised doubts over the technology soon after it reached the market. In 2007 two Swedish researchers, Anders Eriksson and Francisco Lacerda, published their own analysis of VRA in the International Journal of Speech, Language and Law. They found no scientific evidence to support claims for the device made by the manufacturer.

Lacerda, head of linguistics at Stockholm University, told the Guardian that VRA "does nothing. That is the short answer. There's no scientific basis for this method. From the output it generates this analysis is closer to astrology than science. There was very good work done by the DWP in the UK showing it did not work, so I am surprised."

However, the Local Government Association, which represents English and Welsh councils, said the tool was used to help identify possible fraud. Peter Fleming, chair of the 's improvement board, said: "Councils detect almost £200m-worth of benefit fraud committed every year.

" No one is going to be prosecuted for benefit fraud on the result of voice analysis tests alone. But, in a small number of areas, councils use this technology as part of a wider range of methods to identify cases which may need closer scrutiny."

The DWP told the Guardian: "Local authorities are free to design their own approaches to preventing benefit fraud."

In a statement Capita said that, when it "undertakes a council tax single person discount review, councils can choose to use voice risk analysis technology as part of the process. The technology was never used in isolation. It is only used in cases which are deemed 'high risk', when earlier stages of the review have indicated that more than one person may be living at the property."

Capita added: "The selective use of VRA technology is a useful additional tool in the validation process of identifying potentially fraudulent claims for single person discount.

This technology is also going to be used to catch Tax Evaders by the treasury and I say for once well done Osbourne.

Manuel shown up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol lo lol lol lol lol lol lol

do you really think I care a jot what as been said and put down here about me LOL LOL LOL.

I just love taking the pi-s out of you and Hays its very entertaining for me and beats fishing in the cold catching nothing.

Why are you called MANUEL??????????

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i called you a wriggly worm for being found out yet again for distorting what i wrote
you might not care, but perhaps you should just be more careful if you want to carry any credibility