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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

cynic - 25 Nov 2010 16:16 - 3813 of 6906

plenty of old(er) men and "nieces" to be seen in London and elsewhere, and in Far East with pre-pubescents too

Fred1new - 25 Nov 2010 16:28 - 3814 of 6906

It is almost as bad as being sold weapons by the USA and using them against civilians.

Only important difference seems that one action is happening and the other didn't.

But one has the right to believe what one wants to.

Haystack - 25 Nov 2010 16:29 - 3815 of 6906

Even in the USA there are states whuich allow 13 for females and 14 for males and plenty that allow 15 for females. In almost all Muslim countries the legal limit is 16 for females and 18 for males. That includes Pakistan and most of the Niddle East. The countries that allow younger marries of 12 or lower are almost all in Africa,

cynic - 25 Nov 2010 16:33 - 3816 of 6906

i wasn't talking of marriage - unless "temporary marriage" counts I suppose .... "getting to know you" (biblically) would be more apposite

which USA states allow marriage at 13 and 14?

Haystack - 25 Nov 2010 16:41 - 3817 of 6906

New Hampshire for one

New Hampshire: usually 18, but 14 for males and 13 for females, in cases of "special cause" with parental consent and court permission

12 for Massachusetts

Massachusetts: usually 18 for first marriage, 14 (male) 12 (female) with parental and judicial consent.[

cynic - 25 Nov 2010 17:08 - 3818 of 6906

partially right it would seem, but quite extraordinary for all sorts of reasons ....

Massachusetts: Age 18 years or older. A birth certificate may be required to show proof of age. If either party is under 18, a court order from a probate or district court where the minor resides must be obtained before the marriage intentions can be filed.

New Hampshire: A female between the age of 13 and 17 years and a male between the age of 14 and 17 years can be married only with the permission of their parent (guardian) and a waiver. A female below the age of 13 and a male below the age of 14 are not allowed to marry under any conditions. If both parties are nonresidents of NH and are below the age of 18 they cannot be married in NH under any conditions.

Haystack - 25 Nov 2010 17:19 - 3819 of 6906

Mostly it is Africa except Saudi, where there is no legal limit. A girl who was married at 11 to an 80 year old was seeking a divorce earlier this year. I suppose it was irreconcilable differences! I believe they are thinking of introducing an age limit as a result of this case.

cynic - 25 Nov 2010 17:23 - 3820 of 6906

it'll depend what sharia law and its enforcers have to say on the matter

yuff - 29 Nov 2010 17:55 - 3821 of 6906

Who do we think will get the blame for the assasination of the Iranian nuclear scientist.

aldwickk - 29 Nov 2010 18:30 - 3822 of 6906

Jerry Lee Lewis , his bride was 13 year's old.

Lewis's third wife, Myra Gale Brown. She was Lewis's first cousin once removed and only 13 years old

Fred1new - 29 Nov 2010 18:34 - 3823 of 6906

Y,

Probably, the ones who are thought as having the most to gain from the action.

In The Land of the B - 29 Nov 2010 21:42 - 3824 of 6906

The assassination was carried out by one Greg Hayes in a futile attempt to tarnish the image of Meir Dagan.
Needless to say, the former's plot backfired as all his efforts do and Mr. Dagan's reputation has been further enhanced without lifting a finger to strike down Israel's enemies.

Haystack - 29 Nov 2010 23:34 - 3825 of 6906

21 international human rights organizations have called for fresh international moves to lift the siege on Gaza immediately and without any conditions attached.

The organizations in a report to be published on Tuesday said that Israel's measures to "ease" the siege on Gaza under international pressures did not change anything in the lives of the civilian population of the Strip.

The non-government organizations, including Amnesty International, and the Norwegian Refugee Council, said that no enough construction materials were allowed into Gaza.

They said that only "minor" progress was made in the freedom of movement for civilians while noting no tangible development on Gaza exports.

In The Land of the B - 30 Nov 2010 09:39 - 3826 of 6906

When is a nodding donkey the same thing as a parrot?



When it's a haystack.

Haystack - 30 Nov 2010 10:29 - 3827 of 6906

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11868589

Israel's eased blockade 'still crippling' Gaza

There has been "little improvement" for people in Gaza since Israel announced it was easing its economic blockade of the territory six months ago.

That is the verdict of a new report by aid agencies and rights groups working inside the Palestinian territory.

A ban on most exports from Gaza is "crippling" the economy, they say.

The report, "Dashed Hopes: Continuation of the Gaza Blockade", was compiled by 21 different groups, including Oxfam, Amnesty and Save the Children.

"Only a fraction of the aid needed has made it to the civilians trapped in Gaza by the blockade," said Jeremy Hobbs, Director of Oxfam International.

"Israel's failure to live up to its commitments and the lack of international action to lift the blockade are depriving Palestinians in Gaza of access to clean water, electricity, jobs and a peaceful future," Mr Hobbs added.

The report says there has been an increase in imports such as food and consumer goods but that import levels are still only just over one-third of what they were before 2007 when the blockade was originally tightened.

It also says only a tiny fraction of the construction materials needed to rebuild Gaza are being allowed in.

In June, Israel said it would allow in construction material for projects carried out by organisations such as the United Nations. But the report says Israel has so far approved only 7% of the UN's reconstruction projects in Gaza.

It says at the current rate it will take decades to carry out the UN's housing and schools projects in the strip.

Earlier this month the Director of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) in Gaza, John Ging, told the BBC there had been "no material change" for people living in Gaza since the "so-called easing".

Mr Ging accused Israel of ignoring the demands of the international community to fully lift the blockade.

The report stresses that virtually all exports remain banned, having a devastating effect on Gaza's economy.

Janet Symes, Christian Aid's Head of Middle East Region, said that "with the continued ban on exports, Gaza is crippled economically".

"How can it stand on its own two feet? People want jobs to make a living in a dignified manner and not exist on handouts."

The only exports currently allowed out of Gaza are a limited number of flowers and strawberries.

Responding to the report Major Guy Inbar - a spokesman for the Israeli office which controls crossings into Gaza (Cogat) - said in a statement: "The claims of the organisations, as they appear in the report, are biased and distorted and therefore mislead the public."

He said the number of trucks entering Gaza from Israel every day had increased by 92% this June.

The United Nations says this is still only a fraction of what was being allowed into Gaza before 2007.

Israel originally tightened its blockade of Gaza in 2007 after the Islamist movement Hamas came to power. Israel, the US and the EU regard Hamas as a terrorist organisation.

Over the past decade Hamas has fired thousands of rockets into Israel, although that number has declined dramatically since Operation Cast Lead, Israel's major offensive in Gaza almost two years ago

Gausie - 30 Nov 2010 10:45 - 3828 of 6906

The only exports to leave Gaza are flowers and strawberries?

Rubbish. They still lead the world in the unwelcome export of live mortar rounds and high explosive rockets.

Haystack - 30 Nov 2010 11:32 - 3829 of 6906

It is Israel that fires more rounds into Gaza than Gaza ever fires into Israel. One Thai farmer in Israel is the only casualty compared to hundreds in Gaza causedy Israel.

The reality is that Israel is suppressing Gaza and holding it captive because its population democratically elected a government that Israel does not like. It must be almost the only example in the whole world. Israel is rushing around the West Bank arresting followers of the same government in Gaza in case they elect it in the WB as well. Once the silly peace process breaks up then the WB will become like Gaza.

yuff - 30 Nov 2010 13:27 - 3830 of 6906

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5Tck4nHPT0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h2XBZz88VE

Poor old England.

Haystack - 02 Dec 2010 12:37 - 3831 of 6906

The UN has underlined that the situation in Gaza Strip was still catastrophic and that one and a half million people including 800,000 children were living as captives in the Strip due to the siege imposed on it.

John Ging, the UNRWA director of operations, said in a press statement in New York on Wednesday that 80% of Gaza population depends on relief assistance while 70% of the population before the siege used to depend on themselves.

"There is no economy, anyone wishing to make something does not find the necessary (raw) material to do so," he added.

Ging said the Strip urgently needs 100 new schools, but restrictions by Israel dictated the building of only six schools.

Thousands of houses are still destroyed while they were previously crammed with inhabitants prior to the devastating Israeli air raids in the last war on Gaza, the UNRWA official said, adding that 90% of Gaza water is not suitable for human consumption.

Ging asked senior world decision makers to visit Gaza to get acquainted with the disastrous conditions there as a result of the four-year-old Israeli siege.

Fred1new - 02 Dec 2010 13:43 - 3832 of 6906

Perhaps nothing was learnt from the

"Warsaw Ghetto


The wall of ghetto in Warsaw, being constructed by German order in August 1940. Taken on Świętokrzyska Street from the "Aryan side" (Marszałkowska Street).

The Warsaw Ghetto was established by the German Governor-General Hans Frank on October 16, 1940. Frank ordered Jews in Warsaw and its suburbs rounded up and herded into the Ghetto. At this time, the population in the Ghetto was estimated to be 400,000 people, about 30%[1] of the population of Warsaw; however, the size of the Ghetto was about 2.4%[2] of the size of Warsaw. The ghetto was split into two areas, the "small ghetto", generally inhabited by richer Jews and the "large ghetto", where conditions were more difficult; the two ghettos were linked by a single footbridge.

The Nazis then closed the Warsaw Ghetto from the outside world on November 16, 1940, by building a wall, topped with barbed wire, and deploying armed guards.



It sums up Man's Inhumanity to MAN.

'Many and sharp the num'rous ills
Inwoven with our frame!
More pointed still we make ourselves
Regret, remorse, and shame!
And Man, whose heav'n-erected face
The smiles of love adorn, -
Man's inhumanity to man


Makes countless thousands mourn!

Robert Burns
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