Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

yet another of your misrepresentations sticky
when will you ever learn to report truthfully?
perhaps you've been associating with too many political party clubbers of all hues - do own up to it; you're really something of a whore in that respect

Just stating the facts as you have presented them GF, no need to have a strop. Plastic Manc, member of Con, Lib and Labour clubs. Just in case syndrome. And being a obnoxious Yorkshire Txat, I rest my case!

Christine........ id rather be as you put it "a 2a obnoxious Yorkshire Txat" rather than a bummer who is looking for his next fix like you.

Dont forget to put your Dave Beckham aftershave on this morning.

Goldie

Tony Benn , born into the aristocracy: in his case, he was Viscount Stansgate. Hope he didn't go to Eton ., otherwise goldie wouldn't have approved of a Eton Labour toff.

Aldwickk
Benn went to Westminster School and studied at New College, Oxford, where he read Philosophy, Politics and Economics and was elected President of the Oxford Union in 1947. In later life, Benn attempted to remove public references to his private education from Who's Who; in the 1975 edition his entry stated "Education—still in progress". In the 1976 edition, almost all details were omitted save for his name, jobs as a Member of Parliament and as a Government Minister, and address; the publishers confirmed that Benn had sent back the draft entry with everything else struck through.[12] In the 1977 edition, Benn's entry disappeared entirely.
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Alders spot on.

Your a good chap and i respect you.

I think your like me you call it as you see it.

Wish others on here were like that.

Westminster is equivalebpmt to Eton in terms of class and money. That was strange as his father was a Labour MP and later a hereditary Labour peer. Of course you get used to Labour hypocracy after a while.

Yes your right Hays. But its the same with all others.

Benn's father William Wedgwood Benn was a Liberal Member of Parliament from 1906 who crossed the floor to the Labour Party in 1928
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Thats a bit like Chris Carson COMING OUT. lol

Westminster is a very good school and academically almost certainly better than Eton. The entrance exam for a Westminster is very difficult, My son has two friends there who were in his class at school. Both are very clever kids and are about to go Oxford next year. My guess is that both will be politicians with one a possible PM. I remember collecting them from school at around 7 years old and it was like having a conversation with a clever adult,

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Perhaps he considered what he was as more important on what he had been.

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Haze,

You are confused again.

The way to change a club is to join it and as long as you conform to the rules of that club there is no reason for not attempting to alter them.

The problem with the tories is that many have the mentality of dinosaurs and unable to modify antiquated philosophy and ideology, (Frightened of change. But at the same time, sometimes rushing for change in to look as if they are doing something, or keeping up with the Jones.)

You are stuck with outmoded class distinctions.

I can see nothing wrong in availing oneself of the best education, health advice etc. one can afford for one's children, while at the same time you are trying to raise the standards of the various organisation to the standards of the ones you wish to utilise for oneself.

Your thinking is becoming more primitive and tribal.

Stuck in the past, not learning from it.

an analogy
those who get a first at oxbridge are often almost unemployable in the real world as they frequently lack common sense or commercial nous

Hays in your lingo define a "clever adult". Not me obviously.

for starters, (s)he will have a greater vocabulary than the average reader of the sun or mirror!

but of course there's all sorts of "clever", from acadamically to market trader, most of which require very different skills

Tony Benn would have made a great PM , how he could have controled the hardline dogma of the Union's of the time is the question. His foreign policy during the Cold war is another.

He was a agnostic , think he said it gave him more time for politics

Question Time

Douglas Alexander was rubbish , Nick Hewer had some way out views , but the best was the Conservative. Dimbleby is getting worse by not controlling the debate

Manuel,

Do you mean brighter and more thoughtful than you appear to be, and without the cunning, or morals of some barrow boy spivs?

I find most of the kids at public school have plenty of common sense. Through my kids, I know boys at Westminster, City, Highgate, Eton, Rugby, Winchester, Stowe, Harrow and a couple of other major public schools. They are all well rounded people, very clever and with plenty of common sense. Public school gives the pupils a lot of confidence. That is almost more important than the good exam results. It is why public school children end up in positions of responsibility. Richard Branson went to Stowe (hence Stowe corner at Silverstone just over the fence). Branson had that confidence that didn't allow for failure. It is a quality that I see in all my son's friends. They all assume that they will be successful in life.

It is my son's 18th birthday and I have at least 10 and maybe 20 of them staying the night tonight, mostly sleeping on the floor. It will be interesting tomorrow morning. It may be bacon sandwiches for 20. Every time they come here, they hide things. For weeks we are looking for odd items. Door stops in the fridge, the cat in a wardrobe etc.

Haystack

I use to think you were a Farmer with that username , or is it a nickname for your size ?

Yep I agree with Alders, bad night for labour on Question Time.

ps, alders did you watch the politacal programme after with Andrew Neal

Think that young kid gave my mate Portillio a right kicking.

Hes damed good for a youngster.