Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Ahoj,

Who wants England?

http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/debtclock/

If Europe (Germans, Sweden or Britons) is happy to pay Kiev to survive, they should go ahead.

i somehow don't think it's quite that simple :-)
for starters, i hardly think russia will take it kindly if "the west" annexes ukraine, not least because of the prime russian naval base at sevastopol

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PS - who wants fossy? .... clearly no one

I bet they would wince if you turned up.

If you turned up Fred it would be Lynch

The Island were they think the plane was heading for has an international airport . just had a look on Google earth.

Irony of the week

Posted on March 15, 2014 by Rev. Stuart Campbell

http://wingsoverscotland.com/irony-of-the-week/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=irony-of-the-week


Conservative MP for Carlisle John Stevenson has drawn up a “10-Minute Rule” bill proposing that should Scotland vote Yes in September, citizens of Scotland should be barred from voting in the 2015 UK general election, even though at that point it’ll still be at least a year until Scotland is actually independent.

It’s not an unreasonable point – we’ve previously noted the constitutional chaos that could arise from that election going ahead after a Yes vote. But we couldn’t help but smile at the MP’s outraged justification for the step:

“You just can’t have your government chosen by the citizens of another country.”

We couldn’t agree more, Mr Stevenson.

Agreed Max.
Who should we complain to?

What will the Union Jack look like without the Scottish flag in it?

much less messy :-)

cynic
The numbers of MPs above are not mine. They are projections by a professor at Oxford. They don't show an overall majority.

i was writing about fossy's tosh on posts 38231 and 38232

OK. I don't see his posts.

Presumably after independence Scotland won't be able to do the lottery. There must be quite a few things like that once they are a foreign country.

Anyone crossing the border would need travel insurance and what would happen to health care.

If the two countries don't have synchronised tax laws such as VAT, there will be smuggling across the border as there is and has been across the Irish border. Cigarettes, booze such as Whisky.

Manuel,

Go down to the bookies and put some money on U-turn Cameron to win the next UK election.

You may even try and put a bet on him to be leader of the torrid party at the same time.

Unless of course it splits further into two or the escapees join the Kipper party.

If we were to view this whole situation from a distance, the EU actions are no better than the same actions of Russia, nor is Russia's actions any worse than the EU actions.

It is not OK for Russia to intervene as it's OK for EU to intervene/instigate everything else...

We should let the people decide. And all those so called leaders should abide by which way ever the people decide. And let the people live with their choices.

Anyway Ukraine is almost bankrupt, and not important in terms of GDP, never mind its Crimea. Any country, Russia or Europe, overtake these could help the poor people.

fossy - i never bet on this sort of thing, but as you're the one with the big gob, why don't YOU put money with mouth (fat chance) and back the numbers you were propounding?

ahoj - surely crimea is actually a part of ukraine, and if so this (contrived?) referendum is surely more like annexation

I will have enough fun thinking of you eating your own words in twelve months time.

But, if the wish of its people is to separate, then why to object. It is democratic.

I agree that Russia shouldn't have increased its forces in the country, even thought they have a kind of military agreement with Ukraine.

That is too simplistic. You can't run countries that way. Are we happy for the Isle of Man to have a vote. What about Norfolk or Cornwall and then Devon once Cornwall has left us. I don't know how they will have a referendum in Crimea. The voters lists are in Kiev. There are no parties and no campaigning. There has not been any discussions about the referendum questions. The ethnic Tartars are ignoring the vote. The Russian ethnic is a small majority at 58% and plenty do not want to be governed by Russia as they have seen the lack of freedom. Does anyone think the referendum will be fair.

depends who orchestrated the referendum, and don't forget crimea is part of ukraine and ukraine is not russian either .... racing certainty that it was russia who has "arranged" rather than a spontaneous demand