Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

This is striking and one would have to ask JUST WHAT HAS GONE WRONG WITH THE TORIES........................

Our polling shows that Labour currently has the advantage; among those in full and part time employment they lead the Conservatives 44% to 27%. This is a 17 point lead, compared with the 4 point lead that they enjoyed among the electorate at large in our national poll the month before, which had Labour on 34% and the Conservatives on 30%. 12% of workers who had voted Conservative in 2010 would now vote Labour, whilst more 2010 Liberal Democrat voting workers would now vote Labour (40%) than would still vote Liberal Democrat (35%).

I am luck that I don't now see most of it. I filtered Fred about a week ago. I have filtered gf a couple of days ago after he started reposting Fred's posts. It is now a very pleasant thread.

FFS!!!
are you really totally incapable of doing other than c+p'ing several yards of guff?
do you really have no sensible and succinct comment of your own - i care not whether you agree or disagree with another's view?

hays - i refuse to be bullied - for that is effectively what it is - into squelching anyone
indeed, i would welcome the view of "the usual suspects" with regard to post 13640 =- my accountants' comment

Fred the truth below...........


cynic - 18 Mar 2014 18:29 - 5062 of 5086

go and banish yourself :-)
it always amuses me that for some strange reason you think I am glued to hays

stop being a playground bully sticky
it may be the way you were brought up, but you should have grown out it by now

Mr Os-bean: As Ed Miliband gave his response to the Budget, George Osborne had a gormless smile on his face that made him look like Mr Bean. This is not him – but it’s the closest image I could find at short notice.

http://order-order.com/2014/03/19/ed-miliband-prime-minister-in-waiting/

now that you've had your little play, perhaps you'ld like to comment intelligently - of which i know you are capable - on my accountants' summation (post 13640)

Labour leads Tories by 17% – new poll shows Labour the party of hard workers 18/March/2014......by polling company Survation.

44% of people in full or part-time employment said Labour were the party for hard-working people as opposed to just 27% for the Conservatives.

Shock Fall In Number Of Employees As Self-Employment Soars
Posted on March 19, 2014 by johnny void

workfare-isnt-workingDespite Tory claims that unemployment is falling, the number of employees fell this month by 60,000 people according to the latest Labour Market Statistics.

Overall unemployment has fallen over the most recent period, but this seems largely down to huge leap in the number of people who are self-employed. A whopping 211,000 more people became self-employed over the last three months – with the total number now hitting 4.46 million.

It is impossible to know whether these newly self-employed people are actually making any money or have simply switched their claim over to Working Tax Credits. Companies running the Work Programme are known to coerce claimants into self-employment, which not only means they are taken off the unemployment figures but also that those running Government welfare-to-work schemes can claim huge job outcome payments.

If just one in six self-employed people are failing to earn any real income then the true number of unemployed people in the UK is close to 3 million! This would explain the so-called productivity riddle which shows that despite more people being in work, less work overall seems to be being done.

With the number of people in real, verifiable jobs falling it is becoming clear that things are far less healthy in the jobs market than the Government are currently pretending. The unemployment rate – the percentage of the workforce without jobs – stayed at 7.2%, maintaining the rise from 7.1% which was recorded in the last month’s figures. The number of people out of work for over two years also rose, by 6000 people.

For a long time now workfare, zero hours contracts and self-employment have masked the true nature of unemployment in the UK. Yet even this can’t hide this month’s fall in employees, which is so far being ignored by much of the media who can’t be bothered to read past the latest DWP press release. With hundreds of people chasing every job in some parts of the country, it is unemployed people themselves who seem to be the only ones who know what is really going on.

oh well - clearly i misjudged your abilities
never mind, but it's a pity, as an intelligent discussion might have ensued

This is the truth Cynic, your turf accountant doesnt hold this information and therefore all his figures are flawed. You might want to send a copy to your turf accountant......

Remember reading the Governments Budget Book is just like reading a companys accounts........ all the bad news is hidden at the back in the notes.

My view from Westminster

Real Story of the 2014 Budget is hidden in the OBR Projections
04:46 pm, Wed 19th Mar 2014 John Mann MP.



The real story of this budget is the figures provided by the independent Office for Budget Responsibility in the back of the budget book.


There are four areas of major concern for people up and down the country.


Firstly, chart D.3 on page 108 of the budget book predicts that National Accounts Taxes will increase from £556.8 billion in 2012-13 to £734.2 billion in 2018-19. This is an increase in tax receipts of £177.4 billion over the 5 year period which works out as a of 31.5% increase in tax revenue over the next five year period.


Secondly, chart D.1 on page 106 of the budget book shows the OBR prediction that employment will increase from 29.9 million in 2013 to 31.4 million in 2018. Yet their unemployment figures suggest a fall in the claimant count of only 650,000. This figure shows that the Government is relying on significantly more migrant workers coming to the UK to take up these jobs. At a time when the Government has repeatedly pledged to lower the number of migrant workers coming to the UK these figures are politically very controversial for the Conservative Party.


Thirdly, the figures provided by the OBR in chart D.1 show the Chancellor is presiding over another housing bubble as the average house price has increased by 5% since last year but wages and salaries are only predicted to increase by 0.9% in 2014 compared to 2013.


Fourthly, whilst the OBR predicts that unemployment will fall to 6.8% this year, George Osborne failed to mention that this will most likely trigger an increase in interest rates by the Bank of England. This will lead to an increase in mortgage repayments at a time when the OBR’s own figures show household consumption will fall as families cut back on expenditure.


The Chancellor’s own figures are betraying him as they show a staggering increase in taxation over the next five year period. The figures show that this is a recovery based on consumer spending and increasing house prices, it’s simply not sustainable.

Even the torygraph is having trouble polishing the turd.


http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timwigmore/100264328/budget-2014-the-five-graphs-you-need-to-see/

you really are a total arsehole ..... you genuinely disappoint me

have you even read #13640?
obviously not, for otherwise you wouldn't make such a goddam stupid comment

you clearly have a brain, so why don't you engage the bloody thing instead of just spewing extraneous labour-party-lines, which have nothing whatsoever to do with #13640

as i'm sure even you were told at school, even if you haven't quite (remotely!) managed to grasp the point - RTFQ!!

LOL........what the Telegraph. Good find Max.

CYNIC........The Telegraph cant even praise the Budget today, so what chance anyone else.

SACK YOUR ACCOUNTANTS.

I have read 13640 and its micro speel. One needs to look at the Macro view.

Any Tom Dick and Fanny can give a list like that but lets face it wheres their budgetary projections?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

No costings, no forecasts, did the accountancy trainee on one of Daves apprenticeships put it together.?????????????

You need figures like John Manns above.

Word of advice........change your accountant, your paying good money you should get a good service.

Cynic,

I have been waiting an intelligent post from you.

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When are you going to post one!

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Ask Hazy one for the mantras from party HQ.

"Tough Choices and Hard working people" does not seem compatible with the motley Eton stunted cabinet of U-turn free loaders.


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my accountant is a professional and doesn't pass judgement on the budget, as that's not his job .... clearly something you choose not to understand ......

You would have registered this if you ever bothered to read ...... the accountant does exactly as a good accountant should do .....he highlights the bits of the budget that are likely to affect his clients and there's some interesting aspects that are well worth registering .... but of course that would be of no interest to you, because (a) you reckon you know it all and (b) it has no political angle

anyway, there's clearly no intelligent discussion on the various aspects of #13640 ever going to come from you, which is actually a shame

Manuel.

Why then do you continue to sniff around this thread like a mangy dog?