Fred1new
- 06 Jan 2009 19:21
Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?
If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?
Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?
What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?
In The Land of the B
- 16 Dec 2010 14:20
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Ah, Ruth - a breath of fresh air.
Don't know about an old dog, but it's impossible to turn a fanatic filled with hatred. It would be like trying to change the mind of Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot etc.
Evil incarnate.
You can see by Uberfuhrer hayparrot's last post how he thinks Hamas and the Palestinian people are synonymous and Fatah, Israel, the US, the Liberal Democrats, Top Shop, and all evil reactionary capitalist running dogs are conspiring against the peace-loving everything is justified Hamas and all true believers everywhere blah blah blah - a real lover of terrorists, our sad, sad parrot.
Haystack
- 16 Dec 2010 17:28
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I wouldn't include the capitalists, Liberal democrats etc. Hamas are not terrorists, they are the expression of the Palestinian people's struggle and resistance against a regime that has taken their land and continues to do so. I think you will find that Hamas takes a more prominent role in the region next year.
cynic
- 16 Dec 2010 18:07
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ah yes .... Mugabe's "war veterans" are similarly labelled
Haystack
- 16 Dec 2010 18:46
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But not actually similar.
cynic
- 16 Dec 2010 19:41
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matter of opinion and interpretation .... parallels look surprisingly similar to me
Haystack
- 16 Dec 2010 22:05
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Israel is an occupying force in Palestine and building settlements illegally. They oppress Palestinians on a daily basis. Surely you expect some rebellion in this situation.
Gausie
- 16 Dec 2010 22:29
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Haysteck
git a spoll chucker.
Than git an opinyun chucker. Bowf yure stile annd youre comtent woll inproove overknite.
Haystack
- 16 Dec 2010 22:47
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I told you previously that I hardly ever check my spelling on posts. If it is pointed out to me then I usually go back and change it.
cynic
- 17 Dec 2010 08:15
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similar to the argument Mugabe uses
Haystack
- 17 Dec 2010 11:17
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The analogy should be Mugabe with Israel. It is Israel that is throwing Palestinians out of their homes on a daily basis, arresting large numbers every day, keep prisoners locked up after their sentences have been served. Attacking peaceful marches, allowing settlers to steal homes and burn Palestinian crops, illegally settle on Palestinian land, arrest children. The list goes on and on. Zimbabwe and Israel are quite similar with Israel coming out worse.
Fred1new
- 17 Dec 2010 12:21
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A problem with any group leadership is whether they are leading for good of themselves, the good of the group, or the populace as a whole.
Bad leadership is demagogical and is seen in both sides of in the Middle East conflict.
It is seen in dictatorships or so called democracy. (Cameron is a demagogue, preaching an ideology which got him into power. All though I doubt it, he may even believe what he preaches.)
The difference between the demagogues in a democracy such as Britain, is that it is assumed that if the governing elite strays to far from the accepted pre-election promises, they can be bloodlessly replaced by the end of a parliamentary period or by losing their majority in a parliament. (For me, changes to fix length period parliament would seem to have more dangers than any potential gains.)
Unfortunately, Hamas, Fatah (with financial entrepreneurs support from a western elite), Mugabes Zanu PF (with support from an elite entrepreneurs from outside Zimbabwe) are less than likely to accept a blood less loss of power. However, Hamas does seem to have popular ground level support at present, i.e. optimists believing that the ideology and policies presented, may have long term benefits for them. (In the conditions of occupancy they are suffering, who is to blame them.)
I leave it to you, to consider the present ruling class in Israel, but there does seem a growing internal ground swell against their present rule by Zealots, obviously supported by finances from abroad and political lobbying in the US.
The important factor of difference between Hamas and Mugabe, is that Mugabe is acting for his own obvious interest against those of his people, while Hamas, although probably acting for their own benefit, are taking into consideration their people and acting for their benefit.
fahel
- 22 Dec 2010 20:32
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fahel
- 22 Dec 2010 20:39
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I am Israel (Documentary Film) English version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4gymxY2zM8
fahel
- 22 Dec 2010 20:41
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Video Israel Doesn't Want You to See
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW1-_JmXQt0&feature=related
Gausie
- 22 Dec 2010 23:07
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Fahel
Is it a comedy?
Haystack
- 22 Dec 2010 23:13
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Not much of a comedy for the people involved.
loadsadosh
- 23 Dec 2010 12:52
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Of course it is not a comedy for those involved, maybe, like myself, Gausie tends to view yourself and fahel as the real joke.
Fred1new
- 23 Dec 2010 13:09
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Perhaps, he has a perverted sense of humour.
Perhaps, he wears his humour as a symbol.
I think he should re-read the contents of the e-mail he sent me, which stated "What goes around comes around".
In The Land of the B
- 23 Dec 2010 13:19
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" like myself, Gausie tends to view yourself and fahel as the real joke"
Don't leave freddie few brains out !
Haystack
- 23 Dec 2010 13:53
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From the BBC
A senior Israeli army officer has told the BBC that as long as Hamas remains in control of the Gaza Strip, another war is "only a question of time".
Forget the fact that Hamas is the democratically elected government of Gaza.