goldfinger
- 09 Jun 2005 12:25
Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).
Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.
cheers GF.
Haystack
- 20 Mar 2014 09:14
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Update - Labour lead at 5
by YouGov in Politics
Thu March 20, 2014 6 a.m. GMT
Latest YouGov / The Sun results 19th March - Con 33%, Lab 38%, LD 11%, UKIP 11%;
Haystack
- 20 Mar 2014 09:16
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European elections that was published in this morning’s Times. Topline voting intentions for Europe are CON 24%, LAB 32%, LDEM 10%, UKIP 23%, GRN 5%. Labour retain their lead for the European elections, the Conservatives and UKIP are still in a tight race for second place… but with UKIP in a narrow third place.
Fred1new
- 20 Mar 2014 09:32
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The next thing the Hazy One will say is the outlook for the Cons Party is good.
A bit like Michael Fish's prediction before the hurricane before it hit him.
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But being a pleb, or member of the Hoi Polloi I wouldn't know!!
8-)
The present tory party is led by con men.
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Don't worry about out spending your pension fund, the next tory political policy will be a an announcement on changes to the Euthanasia laws in the next Parliament.
Haystack
- 20 Mar 2014 09:38
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Instead of spending money they do not have on expensive focus groups and polling, the Labour Party should just watch Channel Four’s GoggleBox. The show has people from all walks of society watching TV at home and it captures their reactions. Miliband and his pie-in-the-sky Jobs Guarantee Scheme popped up on the news, and the response will not make for comfortable viewing if you’re a Labour strategist or supporterSome of the family friendly comments include:
“F**king hilarious!”
“Ridiculous!”
“He is a bit of a joke isn’t he?”
“I don’t even understand politics, but I understand that is s**t idea.”
“The Labour Party… they must think we are donkeys.”
The people have spoken.
MaxK
- 20 Mar 2014 09:50
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I bet the tories couldn't believe their luck when the robber barons of the unions elected the lesser spotted millibandus to maximum leader status.
The next general election could be interesting.
Shortie
- 20 Mar 2014 10:07
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The Miliband Balls partnership is completely untrustworthy. As is the Cameron Osborne. The highlight of yesterdays budget for me was the removal of the need to buy an annuity with pensions (maybe I'll consider one now). Also I thought the NISA was a good idea to simplify things.
When it comes to the next general election then my vote will go to who ever I believe will get us out of Europe the quickest.
cynic
- 20 Mar 2014 10:07
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fossy - you don't upset me at all, not least because i rarely read your stuff
sticky - you should be ashamed of yourself, but fat chance of that ..... the traits of an innate bully are easily recognisable ...... that you have chosen to target me worries me not one iota, but it is clear that anyone who stands up to you gets exactly the same treatment
that you have a good brain is clear, but then so is the fact that you are socially pig-ignorant
cynic
- 20 Mar 2014 10:10
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shortie - on that basis, you'll be voting ukip ..... for myself, i'ld rather wait for a referendum - no chance of that from labour - following some serious attempts at renegotiating some very serious and fundamental issues
i feel i ought to vote for staying in, but i am certainly struggling to justify that
Haystack
- 20 Mar 2014 10:12
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Shoryie
No party will take us out of Europe.
Labour and Libs don't want a referendum and WON'T have one.
UKIP are unlikely to get any MPs or maybe one or two at most so they CAN'T have one.
The Conservatives want new rules for the EU. They may well get better terms. They WILL have a referendum, but will recommend an IN vote with much publicity and the result will be us staying in.
No party is going to take us out of thevEU.
cynic
- 20 Mar 2014 10:15
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that doesn't mean you shouldn't vote for them if getting out of europe is your prime concern
Haystack
- 20 Mar 2014 10:17
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So long as you realise that it won't happen. A vote for UKIP is pointless as they will have no power and are really a one policy party.
cynic
- 20 Mar 2014 10:22
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imo, no vote is wasted .... if enough people vote for the "no hoper" party, then suddenly it is very meaningful
Haystack
- 20 Mar 2014 10:32
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I agree a bit with a normal party. Twenty percent plus could vote for UKIP and they would get no seats. UKIP is not really a political party. It is a pressure group. The history of parties started up as pressure group is littered with failure. As a party it has none of the attributes you would expect. There is no underlying philosophy to guide their views, actions and policies. Instead of policies they have a topic.
The Libs are a minority party and have suffered some of UKIP's problems. At least they have a philosophical background.
MaxK
- 20 Mar 2014 10:43
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It's not the seats that UKIP will win, as you say, it's loaded against them.
The real poser is the seats they will deny to others.
cynic
- 20 Mar 2014 10:46
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so were the fascists in germany (a bit tongue in cheek!), and what Max says is also very true
the potential ukip voter now needs to work out whether he'll unintentionally let in the party he really did not want in westminster
Shortie
- 20 Mar 2014 11:13
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At the end of the day it'll either be Labour or another Tory Lib Dem coalition in Westminister. So my options pretty much look like Pork or Pork right now, a vote for UKIP won't change the fact that on the next election I'll be stuck with "Pork" yet again anyway...
MaxK
- 20 Mar 2014 11:20
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Good ol house prices.....
Budget 2014: Britain’s false recovery is a credit mirage, unlike real recovery in the US
The UK has a current account deficit running at more than 5pc of GDP, the worst in a quarter of a century and by far the worst of the G7
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
5:05PM GMT 19 Mar 2014
No vindication can be sweeter for George Osborne than Britain’s new role as a global safe-haven, an astonishing reversal from early 2010 when hedge funds were itching to attack the pound.
The cost of default insurance on British debt – measured by credit default swaps – is now below that of the US, France and Japan, and briefly slipped below Germany last week.
Sterling has ratcheted higher to $1.66 against the dollar, a tad too strong for the Monetary Policy Committee. David Bloom, from HSBC, says sterling is all of a sudden the “least ugly” currency in a world where even the Japanese and the Swiss are holding down their exchange rates. “There is nowhere else to go,” he said.
Yet he also warns, like other City veterans, that this intoxicating moment is not going to last. “UK growth is surviving on fumes, driven by a consumer credit boom. Britain has an enormous trade deficit,” he said.
The Chancellor told the House that Britain is now the growth star of the industrial world, galloping up to 2.7pc this year. The pessimists have had to apologise. Even the lordly IMF is admitting through gritted teeth that it failed to see the mini-boom coming.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/budget/10709115/Budget-2014-Britains-false-recovery-is-a-credit-mirage-unlike-real-recovery-in-the-US.html
cynic
- 20 Mar 2014 11:36
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Britain’s false recovery is a credit mirage, unlike real recovery in the US??????
US deficit is eye-watering and has been for years and years
also, as far as i can see, US recovery remains very heavily consumer driven
i don't deny that it would be even better to see uk manufacturing exports thriving, but i think that may well now be happening
i think "service industries" also have a strong element of "export" inbuilt, but that may be a misconception
Fred1new
- 20 Mar 2014 11:38
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It appears that the market doesn't think much of Osborne's budget, but the probable retracements are due to;
"G8 Suspended, EU Will Impose More Sanctions On Russia, Angela Merkel Says"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/20/g8-suspended-eu-sanctions-russia_n_4998547.html
Check Russian response.
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Side issue.
Lost plane.
? hijack which went wrong, or deliberate flight change and ditching because of hijack?
Ummm
Fred1new
- 20 Mar 2014 11:40
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PS.
Manuel,
Not all postings are for done for your benefit!
The limelight is switched off you sometimes!
8-)