Fred1new
- 06 Jan 2009 19:21
Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?
If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?
Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?
What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?
cynic
- 17 Dec 2010 08:15
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similar to the argument Mugabe uses
Haystack
- 17 Dec 2010 11:17
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The analogy should be Mugabe with Israel. It is Israel that is throwing Palestinians out of their homes on a daily basis, arresting large numbers every day, keep prisoners locked up after their sentences have been served. Attacking peaceful marches, allowing settlers to steal homes and burn Palestinian crops, illegally settle on Palestinian land, arrest children. The list goes on and on. Zimbabwe and Israel are quite similar with Israel coming out worse.
Fred1new
- 17 Dec 2010 12:21
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A problem with any group leadership is whether they are leading for good of themselves, the good of the group, or the populace as a whole.
Bad leadership is demagogical and is seen in both sides of in the Middle East conflict.
It is seen in dictatorships or so called democracy. (Cameron is a demagogue, preaching an ideology which got him into power. All though I doubt it, he may even believe what he preaches.)
The difference between the demagogues in a democracy such as Britain, is that it is assumed that if the governing elite strays to far from the accepted pre-election promises, they can be bloodlessly replaced by the end of a parliamentary period or by losing their majority in a parliament. (For me, changes to fix length period parliament would seem to have more dangers than any potential gains.)
Unfortunately, Hamas, Fatah (with financial entrepreneurs support from a western elite), Mugabes Zanu PF (with support from an elite entrepreneurs from outside Zimbabwe) are less than likely to accept a blood less loss of power. However, Hamas does seem to have popular ground level support at present, i.e. optimists believing that the ideology and policies presented, may have long term benefits for them. (In the conditions of occupancy they are suffering, who is to blame them.)
I leave it to you, to consider the present ruling class in Israel, but there does seem a growing internal ground swell against their present rule by Zealots, obviously supported by finances from abroad and political lobbying in the US.
The important factor of difference between Hamas and Mugabe, is that Mugabe is acting for his own obvious interest against those of his people, while Hamas, although probably acting for their own benefit, are taking into consideration their people and acting for their benefit.
fahel
- 22 Dec 2010 20:32
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fahel
- 22 Dec 2010 20:39
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I am Israel (Documentary Film) English version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4gymxY2zM8
fahel
- 22 Dec 2010 20:41
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Video Israel Doesn't Want You to See
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW1-_JmXQt0&feature=related
Gausie
- 22 Dec 2010 23:07
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Fahel
Is it a comedy?
Haystack
- 22 Dec 2010 23:13
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Not much of a comedy for the people involved.
loadsadosh
- 23 Dec 2010 12:52
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Of course it is not a comedy for those involved, maybe, like myself, Gausie tends to view yourself and fahel as the real joke.
Fred1new
- 23 Dec 2010 13:09
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Perhaps, he has a perverted sense of humour.
Perhaps, he wears his humour as a symbol.
I think he should re-read the contents of the e-mail he sent me, which stated "What goes around comes around".
In The Land of the B
- 23 Dec 2010 13:19
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" like myself, Gausie tends to view yourself and fahel as the real joke"
Don't leave freddie few brains out !
Haystack
- 23 Dec 2010 13:53
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From the BBC
A senior Israeli army officer has told the BBC that as long as Hamas remains in control of the Gaza Strip, another war is "only a question of time".
Forget the fact that Hamas is the democratically elected government of Gaza.
In The Land of the B
- 23 Dec 2010 14:09
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Ya Wohl Uberfuhrer Hay parrot
Und that nice Herr Hitler was elected democratically (actually very similarly to Hamas).
Because Hamas is voted into power doesn't preclude them preaching the destruction of another country and another people and attacking them. No, that concept is beyond you and your sort.
In The Land of the B
- 23 Dec 2010 14:12
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And let's not mention Hamas slaughtering their fellow Palestinian Fatah members in Gaza.
aldwickk
- 23 Dec 2010 14:22
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Why was it a slaughter ? because Fatah lost , it was a fight between two opposing Palestinian army's
Haystack
- 23 Dec 2010 14:59
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Hamas won the elections in 2006 and Fatah commanders refused to take orders from the government. The Palestinian Authority, which was allied to Fatah, started assassinating and kidnapping Hamas officials. At the end of 2006, PA forces fired on a Hamas rally.
A sort of civil war started and stopped a few times with a few truces in between. In the end Fatah were stronger in the West Bank with the help of PA forces and Hamas were stronger in Gaza and each took control of their own areas. The root cause of most of this conflict was the PA supporting Fatah with the help of Israel and the US. Without their intervention the whole region would be governed by Hamas.
Hamas is still the choice of the average Palestinian. When the current peace process breaks up, as it will do soon, there will be more conflict if the reconciliation process between Fatah and Hamas does not succeed. They have been having direct talks in Damascus for a couple of months now. In any election in the West Bank or Gaza Hamas would win hands down, which is why the PA delayed elections which were due in June this year.
Hamas are far better organised and more disciplined than Fatah. Hamas now have better weapons including large numbers of Russian made laser-guided missiles which can penetrate a tanks armour. One was fired at an Israeli tank on 6 December and penetrated the tank.
In The Land of the B
- 23 Dec 2010 15:05
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I bet you found that orgasmic
Haystack
- 23 Dec 2010 18:54
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Just realistic. You can't expect only one side to be armed in a conflict. Israel just gets its own way by force of arms. That is a very short term strategy. The agression that Israel show strengthens Hamas and the will of the Palestinians.
Haystack
- 24 Dec 2010 17:39
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Israeli O/occupation Forces troops assaulted a group of Spanish tourists on Thursday afternoon as they tried to enter the southern West Bank city of Bethlehem through its northern entrance to participate in the Christmas festivities.
Local sources said that IOF troops manning the roadblock at the northern entrance of the city near Rahils dome assaulted the group with truncheons injuring a number of them.
The group was surprised at the treatment meted to them and said that they had a taste of what it was like for Palestinians crossing roadblocks.
Haystack
- 24 Dec 2010 17:53
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12069482
The UN relief agency UNRWA has condemned Israel's demolition of homes in East Jerusalem, up 45% this year.
It said 396 buildings were razed in 2010, compared with 275 last year, in occupied East Jerusalem and other West Bank areas under Israeli control.
As a result, 561 Palestinians - including 280 children - were displaced, it said
"I call on the Israeli authorities to cease demolitions and evictions in occupied areas which are in contravention of Israel's obligations under international law," UNRWA's West Bank Field Director, Barbara Shenstone, said in a statement.
Ms Shenstone cited the case of the nine-member Subouh family, whose home in the Ras al-Ammoud district of East Jerusalem was destroyed on 21 December.
The family has been living on their property in two tents after the Jerusalem municipality gave them 24 hours to demolish their home, she said.
The family destroyed the house themselves at a cost of 60,000 shekels ($17,000; 11,000), rather than pay the municipality to do so, which costs twice as much, she added.
Out of the 250,000 Palestinians living in East Jerusalem, the UN says, 60,000 are at risk of having their homes demolished by the Israeli authorities.