Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Exec - those last three pics are not 'unpublished' - they date from when hamas slaughtered fatah supporters at the time that hamas came to power.

They have more recently been published on David Irving's website, purporting to be from the current troubles. You will recall David Irving makes a living writing for and addressing neo nazi organisations. He's a discredited historian, holocaust deniar and has also spent a fair amount of time behind bars.

Gausie

I do think you are right. Accordingly, I have removed them.

Exec - there's a lot of these lies about - and all presented in a very plausable manner. It's very easy to be taken in by them. I've not seen that first pic before, but I note it has the same 'pedigree', and also appears to be hosted on Irving's site. I wouldn't be surprised if it's from the same source.

Take snow's maps above - there was no palestine in 1946, the partition plan of 1947 created palestine, which was immediately followed by an all out attack on Israel from its arab neighbours, intended to wipe israel out and grab the land before israel became properly established (the so called war of independance).

Israel survived that war, and indeed won territory from its arab neighbours, and vowed to keep the territory as a buffer zone against similar future attacks - of which as we know there have been many. The Palestinians, unfortunately, have ever since been pawns, expendable by both sides in the larger arab israeli conflict. A fight by the Arabs to put right the 'Nakba', and by Israel for its very survival.

The maps also fail to show the disputed israeli borders after the 6 day war - when Israeli territory was temporarily more than doubled prior to the peace deal 15 years later with Egypt in which land was returned for peace.

Similar deals with palestinians seem not to suit their puppeteers.

Snowball.

Interesting post and I agree with the contents and sentiment.

There is one point interested me.

Re:

!) An interesting though not particularly well-known fact is that after the 2nd WW , when the UK was basically bankrupt and desperate for financial help from its great ally the US , the US President held up any financial aid for UK until (Britain was in control of the Palestinian mandate ) the UK agreed to the post-war exodus of hundreds of thousands of Jews into the Palestine Mandate area .
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I thought Roosevelts decision not to enter WW1 earlier than it did , was because Roosevelt did not think that before Pearl Harbour he could get a declaration of war against Germany through Congress.

After Pearl Harbour December the 7th 1941 on December 11th he asked Congress to declare War with Germany.

While I think America was quite prepared not to interfere in the war and was happily bleeding Britain financially, I think Roosevelts main concern with Britain and Churchill, after that declaration was made, he wish for the break up of the British Empire.

Of course I agree that the American Administration was in favour of the State of Israel.



If you have any references regarding that posting I wonder if you would post them. as I would like to read them.

Using Moneyam E-mail would be fine.

It's interesting how the anti-Israel brigade are silent now Israel has called a cease-fire....doesn't fit in with the image, huh?

Everyone should watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTGbP55HGi8

MrCharts, I think it is time to wait. If Israel government behaves with it usual dishonesty and ongoing humanitarian abuses, this will be a temporary lull only.

Israel is losing any respect the world had for it, by its recent actions.

I think you are naive to think otherwise.

Take your tinted glasses off and look around.

MrC - what an awful video. Fred - is it staged?

I said earlier that you can debate with the rational, but not with the irrational.....so there is no point bothering.

Gausie,
Some will say it was an evil plot by the evil Israelis who probably kidnapped those little children and forced them at the point of a bayonet to support Hamas and hate Jews. And, no doubt, they butchered the children afterwards.
Such is blind hatred and prejudice.

Heard the news, in the last hour,
Hamas claim 48 of their people died
in the few last weeks.

Could something be done to alter the size of that massive image please? Maybe include a link to it for anybody wishing to view it across 12 monitors.

tyketto - you believe it?

Hilary, You can change the image Israel is portraying to the World.

But I suppose you can turn a blind eye to it, when it doesn't suit you.

Hamas have claimed that they 'won' and that they only lost 48 terrorists.

Must be the regional way of 'telling it like it is'.

The sad thing is that people like Fred will believe them.

Out of about 1200 dead?
I wouldn't take any bets.

Taken me a while to catch up.

So we now have a ceasefire. How long will it last?

Here is a question to the people who complain about America supplying Israel with its weaponry.

Would they prefer Israel strike 'enemy' targets with precision guided weapons or should Israel save some money and buy the Katyusha's of Iran & co then pack them full of steel ball bearings and drop them anywhere for maximum carnage?

Consider what the death toll have been if Israel used the same missiles Hamas use and i'm sticking to my point that Israel was not the only side to cause 'innocent' palestinian casulaties. Apparently, the Israelis dropped 'get out of here now' leaflets before the bombing runs but Hamas wouldn't let civililains leave the target area! Now that is a war crime.

They not only dropped leaflets telling people to get out of a specific area, they also phoned all the landline and cell phone numbers they had of people who they knew lived in houses with tunnels, explosives etc in them, telling them to get out.
There are also videos of helos aborting missions where they could see Hamas hiding behind children or running into groups of non-combatants.
How do I know?
No, not Israeli "propaganda" or "lies".
I've seen all those things on Al Jazeera TV !!!
There has been some bias on Al Jazeera certainly, but a lot less than on BBC and Channel 4 !!!
Richard

I'm not turning a blind eye to anything, Fred, but I happen to think that Israel have a right to defend themselves if they are under attack and that's as far as it goes. As others have said before, Hamas could have stopped firing the rockets. Also, I really don't see how something that happened 50 or 60 years ago is relevant now a couple of generations on.

In short, it's not something that I'm bothered about unless it affects the price of oil and it hasn't done that which says the market couldn't care less about it either. If you wish to bang on about it, then it's your prerogative and you've a right to do so. Equally, if people don't like your views, then you have to accept their comments. Clearly your condescending attitude has indicated that you aren't happy to accept other people's differing views, as Isaacs and I have both tried to point out to you previously.

Btw, I thought you'd squelched me.

Ah! Al Jazeera - a breath of fresh air when compared to our media. Balanced reporting.

Didn't know that about the aborted missions, interesting.