Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

the reverse is also pretty much applicable - i.e. the person on benefits living off the state which the taxpayer wrongly sees as a completely separate and different entity from himself


actually, both Jason Read and myself are talking a pretty much similar load of codswallop - or crap if that is your chosen epithet

:-)

Manuel,

It depends on what you mean by true, flawed, ideals, success and for whom.

Having witnessed first hand what was labelled a communist state, and knew some who were in the higher echelons of the state (professional and otherwise), and noted the intentions and codes of practice often used within the system.

I was less than impressed with its "said" practice. But same applies elsewhere.

Look around you.

The same group of leaders could easily have be transposed to a capitalist state like the UK.

The motivation of the leadership is often perverted by wish for personal gain, of glory, financial gain, or power.

Look at the leadership now , and the dipping of hands into the trough of expenses.

(Dig under the leadership of any club, society, institution and the same often applies to a less harmful degree.)

Miserable thoughts for to-day.

I hope my chicken is cooking nicely.

Execline
There is another version.

The plane club med to 43,000 ft to put out a fire by starving it of oxygen. This is a procedure. The passengers were close to unconscious as were the part lots. The pilot puts the plane back into autopilot and falls unconconsious. Everyone dies and the plane slowly descends to 35,000 ft and carries on to Indian Ocean.

But what about it turning round in the opposite direction and heading off out to a remote place.

Now we are on to too many detrimental coincidences, IMHO

It strikes me that Hazy has been to Party HQ to often and now under the influence of Bing Crosby is confusing fiction with gospel truth.

8-)

"Having witnessed first hand what was labelled a communist state"
why would you be surprised?
as i wrote before, that's the trouble and fatal flaw with the so-called communist ideal; it totally forgets or wishes to suppress (closer to the truth) both free will and human nature


gospel truth??????
surely a misnomer for starters!


feel sorry for your chicken .... it obviously came home to roost, and now look!

Cynic you posted this above......"as i wrote before, that's the trouble and fatal flaw with the so-called communist ideal; it totally forgets or wishes to suppress (closer to the truth) both free will and human nature"................ends

Is that not the case with the present Tories especially IDS with all his suicides on his hands.

GF>


I was about to post similar view!

"it totally forgets or wishes to suppress (closer to the truth) both free will and human nature"

This is the practice of the present motley crew in cabinet.

They have like Manuel been indoctrinated to worship false gods and icons.

It is wonder they don't have pagan night outs in their undies.

Or, perhaps Hazy One does with Manuel waiting at table.

8-)

Here's to more U-turns!!!!!!!!!!

Yep fully agree Fred. Manuel as scored a home goal.

There were price controls on energy and Labour removed these between 2000 and 2002. Prior to that Often set the price of energy, so it is somewhat rich for Labour to complain about the market that they created.

whatever you guys say ..... still, i'm told MU couldn't manage even that .... is it true?

David Moyes Football Genius!

Does anyone know the viewing figs for last nights debate?

I can't find any viewing figures. You can bet everyone who likes UKIP watched it, so that would account for Farage 'winning' the debate. I thought the standard of debate was dire. Farage doesn't do debate, he tends to just make statements and Nick wasn't much better. They just traded figures and each ignored the other's comments.

There is going to be a return match. Hopefully they will have watched this one and seen how bad it was.

immigration prog - tonight
not surprisingly, it ended on a pro-immigration note, which was as expected
however, the middle bit was well balanced and of course far from clear cut
for myself, i am still strongly in favour of immigration being controlled on some sort of points system

i'm also for uk nationals being prepared to accept lower paid jobs - minimum wage! - as their immigrant and often over-qualified competition do, and then working their way up
unfortunately, far too may uk citizens get sniffy about such an idea

Haystack.

Yes, I cant find any figs either, which is very strange.



cynic.

Tell that to the thousand people plus (they closed the list at that point) who applied for approx 100 jobs at Morrisons when they opened a new supermarket a couple of years ago. (Hampshire) Perhaps it's different up your way.

the prog was centred on peterborough, so guess you didn't watch

Off to see a real nice bunch of Romanians tomorrow, who have a car cleaning pitch at the car park on my local Homebase, to get my car cleaned, leathered, liquid waxed and polished.

There are six of these guys and they also clean the windows inside and out, clean the car mats, gloss the tyres and just generally do a real belter of a job, and often too, with a free perfume sachet to hang from the interior mirror.

And the price? Just £5. I repeat, just £5!

I usually give them a tenner and say, "Just give me a couple of quid."

And I always get, "Are you sure?"

Manuel,

You do a fair bit of travelling.

If I was border control I would let you out, but not sure of I would let you back in.

8-)

GF,

I like that post.

Are Cameron and Osborne Communists?

The techniques used by the present torrid lot are reminiscent of the communist or totalitarian states.

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Hazey One.

When you pee you pants do you blame your mother or father?

Like this government they should take responsibility for their failures.

The tories have been in "power" if not in control for 4 years and failing more and more.

They should have accepted their responsibility.

They could have reviewed and changed the rules. They haven't. They are failing.

They reorganised the NHS and it is failing.

They are a disaster,

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Have look at UK Debt and compare it with 2008.

Tory party economics.

The list of Cameron's failures are endless!