Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

and as a cheerful wish for all in 2011 .... may the rabid dogs and polemicists who infest this site chew each other to bits and be turned into bonemeal where they will at least do some good for the roses and vegetables

The only rabdi dog here is IOTLOTB. No one else indulges in agressive language. I fear 2011 will be a worse year for the Middle East.

so you think you should be perceived as a promoter of common sense and peace?
hitler liked to promote that image too

Hitler has no bearing on these discussions. Why is he even mentioned? The Israeli government is behaving more like Hitler if you want a comparison. I do want peace in the region. you won't get it until there is somwe justice for the Palestinians. Remind me again why Israel exists or has the right to exist on land taken from other people. The Balfour declaration was not something that the Arabs agreed to. The UN resolutions partitioning palestine was not agreed to by the Arabs (part of that partitioning was that Israel should not then expand).

engage a brain cell if you have one and answer the very simple question asked, and not the one you wish or imagine had been asked - i know you have always found that very difficult, but if you really really concentrate, you may just manage it

That is not an answer. The real answer is that Israel has no right to exists and only does so by force of arms.

zzzzzzzzzz....................
Now, now, hay parrot, take the tablets and lie down in a cool dark room.
You know it makes sense.

answer to my question ..... no surprise; Haystack is incapable of doing so

=============

try this quotation my little simpleton .....

"History is more or less bunk. It's tradition. We don't want tradition. We want to live in the present, and the only history that is worth a tinker's damn is the history that we make today." - Henry Ford. 1916.

========

now try to comment is less than 20 words why the Balfour Declaration (1917/1922) - 88/93 years ago to help your arithmetic - is now invalid even though it was approved by all 51 countries who comprised the League of Nations (precursor to UN)

you didn't know that?
oh, but i would have thought with all your ranting you would at least have done some pretty basic homework to make sure your argument had a sound footing

=========

now try to enlighten us all, why you think you should be perceived as a promoter of common sense and peace? - again in less than 20 words

And while you're at it, the UN voted for the existence of Israel, remember?
And while you're at it, remember it was you who proclaimed you were not objective and saw no reason why you should be?
Conflicts exist all over the world and often the only solution is division of land between two different groups,
e.g. Israel/Palestine
Cyprus into Greek and Turkish areas
Ireland into the North and the Free State
The Indian sub-continent into India and Pakistan West and East and then the latter into Bangla Desh
and so on.
And in all of them, tragic suffering and injustice on both sides in the birth of nationhood.
And why do I say hay parrot is a Nazi anti-semite? Read his post on the mad rabbi and identifying the Jewish religion........
As he gets more hysterical his true colours become even more obvious to all but the blind.
Read my post 3901. You can see why the objectivity there upsets the parrot as it underlines his total lack of humanity and objectivity.
Carry on hay parrot, "master" of copy and paste, screamer of slogans, you only show yourself to be what you are - a small minded FANATIC

ITLOB - read above

but i also quote below from the Balfour Declaration (1917) and from Churchill in 1922

His Majestys Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.



When it is asked what is meant by the development of the Jewish National Home in Palestine, it may be answered that it is not the imposition of a Jewish nationality upon the inhabitants of Palestine as a whole, but the further development of the existing Jewish community, with the assistance of Jews in other parts of the world, in order that it may become a centre in which the Jewish people as a whole may take, on grounds of religion and race, an interest and a pride. But in order that this community should have the best prospect of free development and provide a full opportunity for the Jewish people to display its capacities, it is essential that it should know that it is in Palestine as of right and not on sufferance.

Winston Churchill
British Secretary of State for the Colonies
June 1922


Israel should remember and take note of the highlighted clause in the Balfour Declaration, and the loonies both here and in M/E should do similar with the clause I highlighted from Churchill

Yes, I agree with that completely, cynic.
Wrong has been done on both sides, I would be the first to agree.

But I won't sit and read the hatred and sloganeering of the fahels, freddie no brains, hay parrot etc to go without a response.

Only a mindless fanatic fuelled by hatred says such disputes as I've listed are the responsibility of one side only.

PS cynic, don't be unreasonable with the parrot, only ask questions of hay parrot the answers to which are available on line for him to copy and paste......

i have found a couple of interesting maps too showing the original proposal for the land to be assigned to the Jewish National Home in 1920, and the subsequent land agreed/ratified unanimously by the League of Nations in 1922 .... the latter reduced the land by 77%, but comprised the entire area west of the Jordan (+ the Golan Heights interestingly) to the Mediterranean .... that coastline stretched from (near) Metullah in the north to Rafah in the south

This area was (conveniently) labelled Jewish Palestine, whereas east of the Jordan was (equally conveniently) labelled Arab Palestine (Trans-Jordan)

It is irrelevant that Briitain or the League of Nations made the declaration. The Arabs were opposed to at the time. It has no force of law then or now.

is that so .... and did the american indian nations agree to be destroyed by the white man? .... did persia agree to be invaded by the golden horde? ..... did the australian aborigines ask to have their traditional lands subsumed into australia? ..... what about the zulus and other tribes in the various nations(!!) of the whole african continent? ....

don't be such a total pratt - though i know that is asking the impossible

You get to a point when you can only laugh at hay brain LOL

And do pray tell us oh Mighty Hay Brain, Creator of his own law and justice, which country's borders should be moved to which lines which were extant at which years.
Feel free to go back 10, 50, 100, 1000 years oh Font of All Truth, The Holy One.
Oh Dear Leader, Giver of Wisdom, do instruct us which are valid laws, which are valid peace settlements, which are valid borders, which are thy Holy Truths which we must OBEY on pain of death, which terrorists are freedom fighters, AND ABOVE ALL, WHOM CAN WE KILL AND DESTROY WITH THY HOLY JUSTIFICATION.
Heil Haymaker !!! Fuhrer of the World !!! Thy Peace, Thy Reich, Shall Last 1000 years !!! Blessed Art Thou, GIVER OF THE LAW !!!

cynic
The problems with the American indians occured hundreds of years ago. The Middle East is happening now. I thought we had developed more humane ways to behave than then. Israel is still displacing Palestinians now. Their land and houses are being taken every day. As far as I know only Egypt among the Arab nations has ever recognised Israel and that was not until 1978. In fact the Arab League moved its base from Cairo because of it. Israel has not accepted properly that the Palestinians will not give up their resistance to their land being taken. The only way ahead is more conflict.

This is a story from today

Jewish settlers seized 60 dunums of Palestinian land near the village of Jalud south of Nablus, ploughed the land, and surrounded it with a fence, local sources said.

They said that tens of settlers on Tuesday took control of the piece of land, the second within two weeks.

The 1,000-inhabitant village of Jalud is surrounded by four settlements

This is published by an Israeli newspaper.

Haaretz newspaper published a confidential report prepared by the Israeli association of jurists revealing the tragic and inhumane incarceration conditions which the Palestinian prisoners imprisoned in solitary cells are living in.

The report pointed out that hundreds of Palestinian detainees were locked up over the past years in solitary confinement and most of them were leaders of prisoners.

The Israeli activists who made the report worked as official inspectors sent by the association of jurists to visit Israeli prisons and meet with Palestinian detainees.

According to the report the isolation cells in all Israeli prisons, especially in Ayalon and Shikma jails, are like the cells of dungeons, small, infested with insects, smelly, cold, without windows and totally unsuitable for humans.

The report pointed out that the isolation of detainees from other prisoners in solitary for a long period of time has psychological effects on them and many of them develop mental problems inside these cells.

In another incident, the same newspaper said that about 90 percent of Palestinian prisoners being interrogated by the Shin Bet security apparatus are prevented from consulting with an attorney, according to a report published by the public committee against torture in Israel and the Palestinian prisoners' society.

The Shin Bet refused in the past to provide data on the numbers of prisoners who are prevented from meeting with a lawyer, but Haaretz quoted the Shin Bet as saying that it has legal clearance to keep certain detainees from lawyers.

The problems with the American indians occured hunreds of years ago .... really? .... last engagement was 1918 and even Little Bighorn was only 1876 ..... thus, to follow your logic, israel becomes legal even in your tiny brain somewhere between 2012 and 2051 - not that far away methinks

as i wrote earlier, i'm afraid you ain't too bright

======

i suppose it's just about worth mentioning that you have yet to answer a single question that i have asked you throughout the day .... none were that obtuse or complex, except seemingly to you