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THE TALK TO YOURSELF THREAD. (NOWT)     

goldfinger - 09 Jun 2005 12:25

Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

cynic - 01 Apr 2014 16:55 - 39088 of 81564

you two are such muppets and so easy to tease ...... you rise like trout to mayfly

frankly, i don't much care who did what or when, as whoever did what and when would have done it with the best of intents and almost certainly with whatever best professional advice and similar was available at the time

goldfinger - 01 Apr 2014 16:59 - 39089 of 81564

Well you and Hays are getting a reputation for being a pair of clowns, the CHUCKLE BROTHERS they call you.

goldfinger - 01 Apr 2014 17:00 - 39090 of 81564

Iain Duncan Smith Should Be Put On Trial Over The Work Capability Assessment Deaths
Posted on March 29, 2014 by johnny void | 132 comments

The tragic death of severely unwell Mark Wood, who died of malnutrition just five months after he was found ‘fit for work’ by Atos and the DWP, was not just ‘wrong’ as the Government have today admitted – it was grossly negligent. Whether this negligence was criminal must be urgently investigated.

Morally, and almost certainly legally, the DWP have a duty of care when making decisions which can potentially devastate the lives of those called ‘vulnerable adults’ by care professionals. The Work Capability Assessment, which led to the death of Mark Wood, has already been found unfair for people with mental health conditions in the courts. Instead of halting the assessments based on this judgement, Iain Duncan Smith has brushed it aside – convinced he knows better than the courts, the medical establishment and the thousands of sick and disabled people themselves driven to despair by the current system.

Mark Wood’s death is far from the first linked to welfare reforms. A recent report by the Mental Welfare Commission for Scotland (PDF) highlighted another suicide which they found was directly linked to the Work Capability Assessment (WCA). In a damning report, the charity surveyed 56 psychiatrists who had treated patients facing one of these crude, computer based assessments. Their findings are both horrifying and desperately sad:

“85% of the 52 respondents to this question told us about an increased frequency of appointments. 65% had at least one patient who required an increased dose of medication and 35% reported at least one patient who had changed medication. 40% had at least one patient who had self-harmed after the WCA. 13% of respondents reported that a patient had attempted suicide and 4% (two RMOs) stated that a patient had taken his/her own life. 35% said that at least one of their patients had been admitted to hospital as a consequence of the WCA and 4% told us about a patient being detained under the Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003.”

The Work Capability Assessment must be brought to an immediate halt. Even the company in charge, the notorious Atos, finally seem to have realised this, confirming this week they will pull out of the contract early. This is the only way to stop any more deaths, and it needs to happen now, as in this week. Otherwise more people will die.

It is no longer enough however to call just for the Government to scrap every aspect of the bungled and brutal welfare reforms that are destroying so many lives. People are dying in one of the richest countries in the world as a direct result of this horrifying attack on the very poorest people. The politicians in charge know this, but are happy to let these deaths continue as part of the ideologically driven obsession with proving that people on benefits are scroungers or fakes and that unemployment is caused by unemployed people.

According to the Daily Mail, David Cameron has backed an urgent review into the Work Capability Assessment. This review should not just look into the failures in the process but assess whether negligence has taken place and if so who is culpable and whether criminal charges can be brought. If Iain Duncan Smith. Atos or the DWP, can be put on trial over these shameful deaths it will not bring anyone back. But at the very least it will send a message to every politician, today and long into the future, that the UK’s legal system will not tolerate reckless cost-cutting experiments that put human lives at risk.

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cynic - 01 Apr 2014 17:00 - 39091 of 81564

is that so? ...... i'm sure you get a massive mailbag saying so ...... well if so, it's an awful lot more complimentary than many things people call me

goldfinger - 01 Apr 2014 17:08 - 39092 of 81564

Hey Cyners have you heard the breaking news, bet hays as, General Strike coming soon.

goldfinger - 01 Apr 2014 17:12 - 39093 of 81564

Trade Unions Unite For Militant And Sustained General Strike Len McClusky Announces
Posted on April 1, 2014 by johnny void | 91 Comments

len-mccluskey.jpg?w=197&h=300“Fuck the law … I’ll go to jail if I have to” said McCluskey"

In a genuinely historic move, every trade union in the UK has signed up to a sustained general strike against austerity which could begin in the next few days Unite leader Len McCluskey has confirmed.

The shock announcement comes after months of secret meetings by union bosses in which agreement was reached to take decisive action to fight back against the demolition of the welfare state and NHS. In a statement released early this morning McCluskey said: “We are tearing up the rule book. Fuck the law, I’ll go to jail if I have to. It’s time to take a decisive stand and we call on everybody, in or out of work, to join a sustained militant campaign to support the strikes.”

Every union is believed to have agreed to take part and to adopt old style tactics, such as squads of flying pickets, to strengthen the strike. They have called on non-union members to help them blockade workplaces and picket the homes of scabs. Only those staff involved in essential services, such as emergency healthcare and processing pensions and benefit payments will remain at work.

McCluskey confirms that unions will ballot on a strike within two weeks, however walk-outs could start to take place in the next few days: “We will not wait. This Government would make all trade union activity illegal if they had their way. It’s time to show them that no matter what laws they introduce we will resist them and we are millions strong. The fightback starts now and it stops only when we win, We will bring this country to a standstill.”

He was joined in the announcement by Mark Serwotka of the PCS Union which counts thousands of Jobcentre staff amongst their members. In a surprise move Serwotka apologised to claimants for the union’s inaction to date: “We got it wrong,” he said “we should have acted much earlier. The leadership of the PCS Union can only issue a sincere apology to all who have suffered under this regime and we are desperate to make amends. From today we are instructing our members to refuse to impose benefit sanctions or administer the Work Capability Assessment. We hope to have a full strike in place, with every Jobcentre and DWP office closed, by the end of the week.”

McCluskey continued: “All of us took our eyes off the ball, there is no doubt about that and it is time to rectify that situation. We cannot stand another five years of neo-liberal reforms”

On the subject of the Labour Party, McCluskey continued: “The modern Labour Party is pathetic and the party political system is broken. Unless they stand behind this strike in both word and deed then the Labour Party will not see another penny from any trade union”. Senior Labour Party figures were said to be reeling from the news. Owen Jones, for once, was unavailable for comment.

Instead unions are set to pour millions into grassroots campaigns which are committed to using direct action tactics to fight back against austerity policies. “Close motorways, occupy public buildings, be creative and most of all cost the bastards money” said McCluskey, “whatever you need, we will pay, details of how to apply for funding will be available on our website from tomorrow.”

Unions are believed to have taken action to protect cash reserves to protect against government attempts to sequester or block funds. Detailed secret contingency plans are in place should union leaders be jailed.

The move comes as over 100 anti-poverty and disability charities signed a statement pledging non-cooperation with this, or any government until every single welfare reform introduced by Iain Duncan Smith is revoked. Some of the biggest organisations in the country are even set to give up charitable status to allow them to campaign more vigorously against government policy. A spokesperson for the Leonard Cheshire Foundation confirmed the news: “Enough is enough, it’s time to fight back, by any and all means necessary.”.

Senior Tories have yet to comment on the move, but McCluskey is unrepentant. Revealing his personal motivation for the strikes he explained: “I did not come into trade unionism to see everything that working class people have fought for over the years destroyed whilst we stand on the sidelines. History will not forgive us if we do not act now. We will not go back to work until a radical new settlement is reached or until the whole rotten neo-liberal charade comes crashing down. I’m proud to be part of this great initiative which will place trade unions right back where they should be – at the heart of working class struggle.”

Fred1new - 01 Apr 2014 17:14 - 39094 of 81564

Cynic,

Whenever I think of tory cuts to "welfare" and the abuse which many tories apply to the unemployed I think of this as the standards of the political elite:

In May 2009 Jenkin was reported by the Daily Telegraph to have used £50,000 in expenses in order to pay his sister-in-law rent on the property he uses as his constituency home. Jenkin claimed that he was just paying "an honest and reasonable rent" for the property.[3]

On 27 October 2009 it was initially recommended that Bernard Jenkin pay back £63,250 by expenses auditor Sir Thomas Legg. This is the highest amount known to have been recommended after an audit of MPs' claims on second homes expenses.[4][5] This amount was reduced to £36,250 following an appeal.[6]




If somebody who was unemployed and claiming benefits had made "false" claims for the same amount he would probably be doing time.

cynic - 01 Apr 2014 17:23 - 39095 of 81564

mccluskey must be a tory plant for he assuredly plays right into their hands

the labour party must be holding its head in grief and pain for this is exactly the sort of militant trades unionism that the general public loathe and perceive as part and parcel of the labour party itself

goldfinger - 01 Apr 2014 17:25 - 39096 of 81564

I think most working class people have been praying for this.

This is a DAY to mark the fight back.

cynic - 01 Apr 2014 17:28 - 39097 of 81564

i truly think you're wrong
were it not so, why would the labour party attempting to distance itself insofar as it can from the trades unions?
surely if what you say is correct, the labour party would want to cosy up even more to show how closely it felt allied to what you quaintly call the champions of working class people?

Fred1new - 01 Apr 2014 17:30 - 39098 of 81564

UMMMMMMH,

It is April 1st!

goldfinger - 01 Apr 2014 17:35 - 39099 of 81564

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

You saw my clue Fred..ie DAY.............

cynic - 01 Apr 2014 16:55 - 39090 of 39100

you two are such muppets and so easy to tease .....................................

whose the TOOL now Manuel ????? LOL LOL he he ha ha ho ho.

Chris Carson - 01 Apr 2014 17:35 - 39100 of 81564

Afraid so Fred, bet you had a hard on there for a minute eh? :O)

goldfinger - 01 Apr 2014 17:40 - 39101 of 81564

"Only those staff involved in essential services, such as emergency healthcare and processing pensions and benefit payments will remain at work"

"Owen Jones, for once, was unavailable for comment."

he he ho ho LOL LOL LOL

GOT YA Cynic.

Youl get your GOTYA OSCAR at next years TU Congress.


cynic - 01 Apr 2014 17:41 - 39102 of 81564

no worry to me; being a mug is an occupational hazard of mine .... confess i only read the first line and it was far from impossible; indeed, shame it wasn't true

btw, i see the italian spag harvest was on the news again

goldfinger - 01 Apr 2014 17:50 - 39103 of 81564

Sorry mate someone had to fall for it.

Must admit it was very good.

I sniffed it out when it mentioned essential services.......processing pensions and benefit payments will remain at work"

cynic - 01 Apr 2014 17:57 - 39104 of 81564

it's no prob, honestly :-)

had it been shorter, i may have bothered to read it, in which case, it was prob self-apparent

i think the internet has a load of spoofs listed, and i may get round to look at it if nothing better to do

btw, i still think you should consider BLT, and not just for a short trade either ..... i very much like that sp has jumped straight through the congested 25/50/200 dmas in a single move

goldfinger - 01 Apr 2014 18:55 - 39105 of 81564

Ill have a look. Cheers.

Good one just gone on chart thread. Car Sector in top 3 sectors today aswel.

Haystack - 01 Apr 2014 19:50 - 39106 of 81564

HMS Tireless, nuclear submarine has joined the search for the Malaysian plane.

MaxK - 01 Apr 2014 20:10 - 39107 of 81564

Did he actually say this, or is it tabloid speak?


“Fuck the law … I’ll go to jail if I have to” said McCluskey"
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