Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

ITLOB - read above

but i also quote below from the Balfour Declaration (1917) and from Churchill in 1922

His Majestys Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.



When it is asked what is meant by the development of the Jewish National Home in Palestine, it may be answered that it is not the imposition of a Jewish nationality upon the inhabitants of Palestine as a whole, but the further development of the existing Jewish community, with the assistance of Jews in other parts of the world, in order that it may become a centre in which the Jewish people as a whole may take, on grounds of religion and race, an interest and a pride. But in order that this community should have the best prospect of free development and provide a full opportunity for the Jewish people to display its capacities, it is essential that it should know that it is in Palestine as of right and not on sufferance.

Winston Churchill
British Secretary of State for the Colonies
June 1922


Israel should remember and take note of the highlighted clause in the Balfour Declaration, and the loonies both here and in M/E should do similar with the clause I highlighted from Churchill

Yes, I agree with that completely, cynic.
Wrong has been done on both sides, I would be the first to agree.

But I won't sit and read the hatred and sloganeering of the fahels, freddie no brains, hay parrot etc to go without a response.

Only a mindless fanatic fuelled by hatred says such disputes as I've listed are the responsibility of one side only.

PS cynic, don't be unreasonable with the parrot, only ask questions of hay parrot the answers to which are available on line for him to copy and paste......

i have found a couple of interesting maps too showing the original proposal for the land to be assigned to the Jewish National Home in 1920, and the subsequent land agreed/ratified unanimously by the League of Nations in 1922 .... the latter reduced the land by 77%, but comprised the entire area west of the Jordan (+ the Golan Heights interestingly) to the Mediterranean .... that coastline stretched from (near) Metullah in the north to Rafah in the south

This area was (conveniently) labelled Jewish Palestine, whereas east of the Jordan was (equally conveniently) labelled Arab Palestine (Trans-Jordan)

It is irrelevant that Briitain or the League of Nations made the declaration. The Arabs were opposed to at the time. It has no force of law then or now.

is that so .... and did the american indian nations agree to be destroyed by the white man? .... did persia agree to be invaded by the golden horde? ..... did the australian aborigines ask to have their traditional lands subsumed into australia? ..... what about the zulus and other tribes in the various nations(!!) of the whole african continent? ....

don't be such a total pratt - though i know that is asking the impossible

You get to a point when you can only laugh at hay brain LOL

And do pray tell us oh Mighty Hay Brain, Creator of his own law and justice, which country's borders should be moved to which lines which were extant at which years.
Feel free to go back 10, 50, 100, 1000 years oh Font of All Truth, The Holy One.
Oh Dear Leader, Giver of Wisdom, do instruct us which are valid laws, which are valid peace settlements, which are valid borders, which are thy Holy Truths which we must OBEY on pain of death, which terrorists are freedom fighters, AND ABOVE ALL, WHOM CAN WE KILL AND DESTROY WITH THY HOLY JUSTIFICATION.
Heil Haymaker !!! Fuhrer of the World !!! Thy Peace, Thy Reich, Shall Last 1000 years !!! Blessed Art Thou, GIVER OF THE LAW !!!

cynic
The problems with the American indians occured hundreds of years ago. The Middle East is happening now. I thought we had developed more humane ways to behave than then. Israel is still displacing Palestinians now. Their land and houses are being taken every day. As far as I know only Egypt among the Arab nations has ever recognised Israel and that was not until 1978. In fact the Arab League moved its base from Cairo because of it. Israel has not accepted properly that the Palestinians will not give up their resistance to their land being taken. The only way ahead is more conflict.

This is a story from today

Jewish settlers seized 60 dunums of Palestinian land near the village of Jalud south of Nablus, ploughed the land, and surrounded it with a fence, local sources said.

They said that tens of settlers on Tuesday took control of the piece of land, the second within two weeks.

The 1,000-inhabitant village of Jalud is surrounded by four settlements

This is published by an Israeli newspaper.

Haaretz newspaper published a confidential report prepared by the Israeli association of jurists revealing the tragic and inhumane incarceration conditions which the Palestinian prisoners imprisoned in solitary cells are living in.

The report pointed out that hundreds of Palestinian detainees were locked up over the past years in solitary confinement and most of them were leaders of prisoners.

The Israeli activists who made the report worked as official inspectors sent by the association of jurists to visit Israeli prisons and meet with Palestinian detainees.

According to the report the isolation cells in all Israeli prisons, especially in Ayalon and Shikma jails, are like the cells of dungeons, small, infested with insects, smelly, cold, without windows and totally unsuitable for humans.

The report pointed out that the isolation of detainees from other prisoners in solitary for a long period of time has psychological effects on them and many of them develop mental problems inside these cells.

In another incident, the same newspaper said that about 90 percent of Palestinian prisoners being interrogated by the Shin Bet security apparatus are prevented from consulting with an attorney, according to a report published by the public committee against torture in Israel and the Palestinian prisoners' society.

The Shin Bet refused in the past to provide data on the numbers of prisoners who are prevented from meeting with a lawyer, but Haaretz quoted the Shin Bet as saying that it has legal clearance to keep certain detainees from lawyers.

The problems with the American indians occured hunreds of years ago .... really? .... last engagement was 1918 and even Little Bighorn was only 1876 ..... thus, to follow your logic, israel becomes legal even in your tiny brain somewhere between 2012 and 2051 - not that far away methinks

as i wrote earlier, i'm afraid you ain't too bright

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i suppose it's just about worth mentioning that you have yet to answer a single question that i have asked you throughout the day .... none were that obtuse or complex, except seemingly to you

The Israeli agression is still going on today and every day. Israel is NOT lagal and never will be unless the Palestinians accept them, as Israel is on their land. I haven't noticed that you have answered the basic question of why Israel has the right to exist, especially on someone else's land.

it exists and has a right to exist because the whole world bar a few nutters in m/e (and you) accept it as so ...... and of course yet again, you fail to answer (or refute) the logic(??) of my previous post, though it follows the logic(??) of your own

and if you had bothered to read the post re League of Nations, you just might have noticed that israel is currently (has been for some time) contravening a basic principle of the Balfour Declaration (1917) .... had you picked on that aspect, i would have agreed with you entirely - and that is consistent with many of my posts here

by the way, apart from the fact that i do not believe that the palestinians are an ethnic/tribal entity, from when did they own (lay claim to) the land now known as israel, and if they ever did, how and when did they acquire it?


yet again, you show to all that you ain't too bright

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now then, Little Brain of Britain, take a very deep breath, get that single brain cell of yours in gear, and read post 3912 in its entirety ..... if that is too great a strain, then the bits highlighted should give you the gist - if you can comprehend even that simple stuff

You mean a few countries accept it. The people on whose land it currently resides don't accept it nor the rest if the middle east, nor do plenty of other countries. Israel is contravening several aspects of the Balfour declaration as I have mentioned several times before. The Palestinians have been living in that area for hundreds of years. The mere fact that there are well over a million Palestinian refugees that lived there before Israel turfed them out shows you that it was their land.

Post 3912 has no relevance to the problem. The Balfour Declaration was addressed to the Zionist Federation. This is an organisation that started about 1896 or so. It is still the real problem. I have researched the Blfour Declaration sveveral times before. you should look at what led up to it. It was repayment to the Zionists for several things, some to do with encouraging Russia to stay in the war and partly for pursuading the US come into the war. Many ordinary Israelis are not happy at all with their country's behaviour and want to move back to pre 1967 borders.

you post is so full of inaccuracies they are even worth enumerating one by one .... try these few simple questions -

for how long have the jews been living in this particular area? ... just a few hundred years or a lot longer?

does saudi accept israel, if not overtly then tacitly?
what about jordan?
does egypt accept israel?
what other countries other than iraq and iran openly deny israel's existence and its right to do so? ..... syria? ..... lebanon?

and if "only a few countries" accept israel's right to exist, perhaps you could name them, other than the few above .... i confess i was under the impression, perhaps wrongly, that every other country in the world accepted israel as a legitimate entity

and the north american indians - how long did they live on their land before they were turfed out? ..... or is 1876/1918 too far back in history to be of relevance? .... you certainly stated as much only a couple of posts back

Many ordinary Israelis are not happy at all with their country's behaviour ... and nor are a great many other people in this world, myself included

Cynic, I think you have represented your own mindset and that of many of the present Israeli administration.

I think it is a miserable view and unlikely to sustain Israel in the long term.

The same type of view of the future was held by an Afrikaner government and in spite of its violence and contravention of common rules of humanity and decency by that governing group eventually removed.

Unfortunately, due to individuals who seem to share your values the chances of bloody conflict before a decent solutions to the ME is more and more likely.

History, matters, because the greater and longer the "abuses", the greater the "retribution" will be.

and just what do you believe my mindset is?
why do you believe my mindset is attuned to the current israeli administration?

do i hear you polemicising (wonder if that word exists?) beneath your post? ... i rather think so

No such word, until you coined it.

Interesting, to me, is that one of the much chanted "mantras" for Israel existing is that, it is "the promised land".

But that is based on history, mythology, or lunacy.

Make your own choice.