Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Whether Ann Clwyd would have been quite so keen had her husband not died due to ''shoddy'' NHS care we'll never know, but you'r right she should be allowed to give evidence.
''I wonder if objections were based on interference from a Westminster MP into a said "Welsh Administration's" remit''. Typical Fred, always looking for excuses for Labour failure.
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How are we going to cope with a nu Manchester every four years?

Where is the money going to come from for housing, infrastructure, health care, schooling? Bear in mind, there are no jobs worth talking about, and we have millions unemployed.




European Union migrants will overtake immigrants from outside Europe for first time, says report

MigrationWatch says number of EU migrants arriving over just four years will be equal to the population of Manchester




MigrationWatch predicted overall net migration would be “in the order of 160,000 a year” - far higher than then Government’s target of “tens of thousands” - once immigration from outside the EU was taken into account. Photo: REX



By David Barrett, Home Affairs Correspondent

12:01AM BST 02 Apr 2014

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10736944/European-Union-migrants-will-overtake-immigrants-from-outside-Europe-for-first-time-says-report.html


Immigration from within the European Union is poised to make up the majority of new arrivals to Britain for the first time, according to a new report.


A paper published by MigrationWatch UK, which campaigns for tougher immigration rules, said the economic crisis in southern Europe would continue to drive a huge influx to this country.


It predicted net migration of EU citizens will be around 130,000 a year, and levels would be maintained for the “medium term”. It meant the total would be 520,000 over four years, or more than the population of Manchester, the study said.


The report said a key factor in the surge was a rise in migration from southern European countries which are suffering high youth unemployment including Spain, Italy and Portugal.


It also predicted that overall net migration would be “in the order of 160,000 a year” - far higher than then Government’s target of “tens of thousands” - once immigration from outside the EU was taken into account.

“If non-EU net migration does fall to about 100,000 per year and EU migration stays at around 130,000 it would become, for the first time, the main source of net migration,” said the report.

Sir Andrew Green, chairman of MigrationWatch, said “The government are successfully bringing down immigration from outside the EU but we now face a situation where the numbers from inside the EU could form the majority of foreign migrants.

“This clearly poses a fundamental issue for our negotiations with the EU.

“It was crazy to have opened up our labour market and our benefit system to 100 million people from countries with a standard of living less than a quarter of our own. There must now be a determined renegotiation.”

Numbers from the EU could overtake non-EU migrants in the next set of official immigration figures, due to be published next month, MigrationWatch said.

The report added that EU migration could be reduced if ministers could persuade Brussels to allow governments to restrict access to benefits for five years.

“It would ensure that the UK remains a destination for highly qualified individuals such as French bankers and German engineers who would be entirely unaffected, yet it would prevent workers from the poorest EU countries migrating to the UK in order to substantially increase their incomes at the expense of subsidy by UK taxpayers,” it said.

Figures published in February showed the number of National Insurance numbers given to foreigners - an important indicator of immigration levels - showed a 19 per cent rise to 617,000 in 2013.

There were huge surges in the number of citizens coming to Britain to work from EU countries which have been hardest hit by the economic crisis.

Data showed the number of Italians registering rose 66 per cent to 44,000, with other countries showing other large increases including Portugal (up 47 per cent, up to 30,000 people) and Spain (up 36 per cent to just under 52,000).

The official figures also showed net migration had risen to 212,000 in the 12 months to the end of September, its highest point since 2011 and a blow to the Government’s pledge to cut levels to the tens of thousands by the next general election.

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If a member of the Welsh Assembly wished to but in at a cabinet meeting at no. 10 they would be told rightly to go away.

However, if there was an investigation or enquiry into cabinet "corruption" and they had evidence I would hope that they would be invited to give evidence to it.

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Do you ever fail at anything?

I lost a game of chess last night, one of the best games I have had for a long time.

However. next time I play the same opponent I will succeed perhaps with the same opening.

I.E. be annoyed at one's own mistakes, but not put off from trying something new.

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Governments are bound to fail sometimes and in some ways, but this B. government is a disaster and the repercussions are being paid for by the most unfortunate and less capable members of society.

You have had 4 years of tory upheaval in the NHS system and it is become less efficient and more uncaring and more importantly for patient care and the public in general more demoralised.

The present crew in control of the government are detached from normal society and fragmenting it.

The only thing holding it together is its PR machine with the gifts and favours it bestows on those who it hopes will fill the party coffers.

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I am going out, but I am COMING back!

8-)

of course, "surplus immigrants" could always be re-directed to Wales or Scotland (whether independent or not) as they then won't show on the unemployment register and those semi-autonomous regions can also foot the bill for any benefits required

What about the surplus immigrants FROM Wales?

The ‘Dunce of Downing Street’ can no longer rely on lies
02
Wednesday
Apr 2014
Posted by Mike Sivier in Business, Conservative Party

For someone who was educated at Eton and Oxford, it seems strange that David Cameron never learns his lesson.

Today in Prime Minister’s Questions he got on the wrong side of an argument on the Coalition government’s botched sale of the Royal Mail and committed every MP’s cardinal offence: He knowingly lied to Parliament.

Ed Miliband had caught him out with a question about share prices, pointing out that Royal Mail shares had been sold far too cheaply. Referring to Cameron, he described the Prime Minister as “not so much the ‘Wolf of Wall Street’, more the ‘Dunce of Downing Street’.

Cameron hotly denied that his government had bungled the sale, and in response to Miliband’s claim that nobody had wanted it, he told Parliament that Labour had planned to do the same. “It’s in their manifesto!” he ejaculated.

It isn’t.

I have a copy of Labour’s 2010 manifesto on my computer, so I was able to check it immediately and found no mention of any such sell-off. Cameron was inaccurate.

Not only that, but unless the memory cheats, this is not the first time Cameron has made such a claim. His advisors would certainly have informed him of any inaccuracies, so any repetition is a conscious decision. Cameron was lying.

This blog has covered the offence known as Contempt of Parliament in considerable detail before (mostly in relation to serial offender Iain Duncan Smith). By rights, anybody misleading Parliament who does not apologise and put the record straight should be expelled from the House. The current government seems to be ignoring this (for obvious reasons).

Labour’s Jon Ashworth raised a point of order after PMQs, demanding that Cameron return to the Commons to correct himself. Fat chance.

A spokesperson insisted that the language in the Labour manifesto was “similar” to a 2009 plan by Lord Mandelson to sell off 30 per cent of the Royal Mail and prepare the remainder for modernisation.

This means nothing. If it isn’t in the manifesto, Cameron can’t claim that it is.

But then, Cameron seems very confused about manifesto pledges. He once claimed that Andrew Lansley’s reorganisation of the NHS in England had been a part of the Conservative Party’s 2010 manifesto, for example – despite having himself ordered that nobody should mention it in the run-up to that year’s election, in case it put voters off supporting the Tories.

I leave you with Martin Rowson’s cartoon on the Royal Mail sale, for Tribune magazine.

How many time is that now that Camoron as knowingly lied to parliament, CERTAINLY more times than Hays says "hes got a freind".

I have to say though hes well behind the murderer.....Id Smith.

Haze,

England needs the Welsh as heads of departments and institutions in England, without them England would be a bigger mess than it already is!
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GF.

You have forgotten Beetroot Dave's background is in PR. Which is equivalent to a job selling phoney packages off a barrow in a London market place.

I apologise, if I malign all the other people in the market place.

Fred.........

Beetroot Dave LOL, yep as red as a POST BOX he he.

An analytical report of the 2005 Labour manifesto, which contained more than 100 broken promises, was prepared ahead of the launch of Labour's 2010 manifesto.

Check it out at: http://www.conservatives.com/News/News_stories/2010/04/~/media/Files/Downloadable%20Files/hearditallbefore.ashx

Labour promise: ‘Our ambition is to see a publicly owned Royal Mail fully restored to good health’ (p.22).

Falling mail volumes. Royal Mail claims mail volumes are now falling by ten per cent per year due to intensifying private sector competition and the impact of the recession.
(The Daily Telegraph, 16 September 2009). This fall is costing the company around £170 million per annum (BBC News, 8 October 2009).

Essential reform abandoned. Despite saying that abandoning reform of Royal Mail would be ‘irresponsible and an abdication by this Government in respect of our 2005 manifesto commitment’ (House of Lords Hansard, 11 May 2009, Col. 834), Lord Mandelson did just
that just over a month later (Hansard, 1 July 2009, Col. 222).

BUT IT WASNT IN THE FINAL DOCUMENT AS DISCUSSED ON THE DAILY POLITICS BBC 2 today AND on the ITV NEWS TONIGHT.

Camoron to reclaim any street cred as to stop LYING.

The magic wand of private ownership must be very powerful in that it changed the prospects of RM around in one day. Nothing to do with the country taking the debt and the city taking the profits!

IE. when it was flogged to donors to the coffers of the torrid party.

Hey Hoy!


I think we need an enquiry into the shenanigans which were going on behind the curtains!

Yep the 16 instituions that had this so called Gentlemans Agreement not to flog the shares in the very short term, which they DULY DID.

The public robbed By Dave and his City Chums.

Farage im afraid miles ahead on points in the debate tonight.

Clegg is just a stand up dummy working to a script.

No personality.

Retweeted by Andrew Neil
Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics 2m
Twitter worm update: Nigel Farage comfortably ahead with just under 10 minutes to go

Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes 52s
Farage wins says @BlurrtUK worm.

RESULT............ Farage 68%.........Clegg27%

Gurdian Poll Farage 69%.............Clegg 26%

KNOCKOUT BLOW for Nigel.

What makes people think that Unite try and control their boy Miliband?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/unite-union-boss-len-mccluskey-threatens-to-launch-party-to-rival-labour-9231266.html

Unite union boss Len McCluskey threatens to launch party to rival Labour’s biggest financial backer has threatened to sever its link with the party altogether if Ed Miliband loses next year’s general election – raising the prospect of it having to compete for votes with a rival Workers’ Party lavishly backed by union money.

Len McCluskey, General Secretary of Unite, forecast that the 2015 election will bring defeat for Labour if the party campaigns on what he called “a pale shade of austerity”, rather than the more robust left-wing political programme that he and his union allies want.

The union leader signalled that a rival party could be created to challenge Labour if it does not win next year.

If carried out, the threat would plunge the left in Britain into its biggest crisis for 33 years – resulting in the most significant split since a group of Labour MPs broke away to form the Social Democratic Party in 1981, dividing the anti-Tory vote in half.

Mr McCluskey revealed that he and Mr Miliband rarely speak to one another, though they are due to meet this week.

Speaking about the consequences of a defeat next year, he said: “I fear for the future of the Labour Party.”

I decided not to watch the Clegg/Garage punch up tonight as the previous one was so awful.,

The polls I have seen this evening suggest that Farage won the debate. I have two reactions to that. Firstly, what does it matter. They are both fringe parties. One will get its usual MPs and the other won't get any. Secondly, YouGov admitted after the last debate that the polls were flawed because a disproportionate number of UKIP supporters watched the programming and therefore skewed the opinion polls.

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL................

code for meaning, gosh UKIP are going to take a lot of seats away from us and hand the election to labour on a plate.