Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

no .... what's the gist?

People are pretty discusted c.


Small sample, and if they are tory leaning readers (big if I know) I would say it's odd's on that the conservative party will not win, or perhaps survive the next election.


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John Hawkins Totnes • 2 hours ago





We have seen this week that Messrs Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are very much yesterdays men.

BTW where is Elizabeth Filkin now?

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Intercontinental • 2 hours ago





I am convinced Cameron does not wish to win the next general election.
Why should he want to as a self confessed Europhile?
More so as he is not going to win back any powers from Brussels when Ms. Merkel has even told everybody that too.
It is quite astonishing how any leader can continue to ignore the electorate as Cameron has done and continues to do.
It only goes to show how inept Cameron is at reading the public pulse.

We said ages ago that Cameron "IS" the problem for the non conservative Tories and nothing has changed.

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John Hawkins Totnes > Intercontinental • 2 hours ago





Do you mean non tory conservatives?

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Ptolomaeus • 2 hours ago





"MPs' expenses: Why has the Standards Committee let Maria Miller off the hook?"

IF it is just the members of the Standards Committee, (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes), who made a decision to allow Miller to slink off without repaying all the ill-gotten gains, then it will be up to the electorate to note the members of the Standards Committee and vote accordingly at the next general election. However, there is an allegation that No 10 may have played a trump card and warned off the media from investigating the whole sorry, sordid business.

In the meantime, Cameron has shown, yet again, that he is a poor judge of character and that he does not have the cojones to deal with greed and sleaze in the Commons, come to think of it the Palace of Westminster, and grip situations like this by removing those who are clearly guilty of playing the expenses and allowances game and despite the DT addressing this situation a few years back. Roll on the European and General elections, these people need to be put in their place.

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sheppy • 3 hours ago





Because, as Cameron would say "We're all in it together". All on the bending of the rules as far as they can and cosying up to each other as they feather their own nests. Hypocrites and shysters.

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richard williams • 3 hours ago





If a Conservative leadership candidate cannot make headway on the back of this - then there is not a decent alternative candidate out there! it may be that Cameron is the only option the current conservative party have - that is the real wake-up call here!

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lycurgus • 3 hours ago





The pathetic Cameron wants to hold on to Miller because she's one of the only women in the cabinet. I don't care that she's a woman, what I do care about is that she is a venal thief that has stolen from the public. That is all that matters in this disgusting affair.

MPs have shown time and again that they can not be trusted to be honest when it comes to expenses (not to mention anything else!). The only solution is to stop all expenses. Accommodation should be provided for MPs in London in basic living quarters in a secure, central location and all travel, etc should be organised by the civil service.

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richard williams • 3 hours ago





The prime minister could have asked the standards committee to explain itself before this became public but he lacks the moral fibre, ability, courage and strength to do so! He'd rather hide behind it like a little child than take responsibility for his duties. there is nowhere this rests other than with him - he leads the house and he leads the commitees - if he doe not like it he can change it and if he was not satisfied with the behaviour of one of his cabinet he still has the power to remove them. He cannot escape his responsibilities by outsourcing them to in-house quangos. Is he a man or a mouse?

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Pleb > richard williams • 2 hours ago





Slightly bigger than a mouse!

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outofEUnow > richard williams • 3 hours ago





Is he a man or a mouse?

Did you really need to ask that. :)

Or he could be just as corrupt as the rest.

The only people who are about the above are online activists. The average man cares nothing about the type of things that media people get upset about.

It was the same with levisson. Only the media cared about it.

Hazy One,

Bullshit.

If the new tory standard is nick all you can legally, or illegally then this case exemplifies for me, your ethical standards once again.

I can understand your allegiance to the present tory party.

The public is viewing the present tory leadership ie. Cameron and cronies as dishonest and corrupt and unfortunately disillusioned by their political leadership.

However, many are just as sceptical of Fauxpage, another populist, who they see as another barrow boy in the same vein as Cameron!

Just watched The trip to Italy new series , very good program. Funny and informative as well.

I watched it as well. I have eaten at a couple of the places in the series a few years ago, including where they go next week; San Fruttuoso.

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Totaly agree with Cynic on Maria Miller post 39230, this isnt a party political points scoring post, its about ALL MPs.

Miller should face a police enquiry.

The fact that she as been so arrogant over the affair pours more hot water on it.

Little wonder as Cynic says people arent turning up at the election booths anymore.

We havent heard the last of this, and that twit Hays can say what he wants, not that anyone takes any notice of what he posts these days.

Sorry forgot you Fred and yes you are right aswel post 39235.

What planet does Hays live on or does he do it to stir us all up.

steady on old boy ..... "Totally agree with Cynic" .... you'll soon be accused of taking brown envelopes or even cronyism if you don't watch out :-)

Fancy some cheese?

Is that Eric Pickles sister ?

Cameroon gas producer Victoria Oil & Gas , so that's who writes his speeches.

You can have that one on me Fred

GF,

Who is Cynic chap you keep on referring to?

8-)


Remind me to give him a tip, if I ever meet him.

Both have a good weekend.

Or should that be a stronger one!





(Don’t vote conservative.)

Will the Millerbint last the weekend?


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/04/maria-miller-telegraph-releases-taped-call

When will you guys get it, the criminal offence of fraud is only committed by the ordinary person, it's not fraud if you are an MP, 'celebrity' or other such dignitary.
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Plenty of MPs have been before the courts for fraud regarding their expenses. None of it is that serious.,The root cause was the low salaries at the time and almost no scrutiny of expenses. There was a culture topping up their pay with expenses and it was deemed acceptable right across all the MPs. The expenses system is much more regulated now, but not fit for purpose. Accommodation when away from their home constituency is the main problem. This has still not been solved in a reasonable way. There is a need for some payment, but no clear system that gives anyone the surety that what they are doing is correct.

Saying all that, it is still no acceptable to fiddle the expenses and MPs of all parties should be brought to book. But at thend of the day the public don't really care. In the scheme of things, it is a drop in the ocean. If you want to see real fiddling then start scrutinising the EU MEP's expenses.

This Maria Miller business dates back to 2005, when prectices were very different. I think she should pay back more. The Commons enquiries cleared her of fraud, but she should probably resign.

H,''None of it is that serious'' so you think it's ok for MP's to defraud the people who pay for their expenses for a whole variety of lucrative items, which those paying can only dream of having. The public do care especially the honest, hard working low paid amongst us, I don't think those being hounded are too enamored with it either.
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We have one of the most honest bunch of MPs and Ministers in the world. It is is not to justify it, but look at Israel where ex Prime Minister's and others Minister have been convicted for frauds and bribes running into millions, Italy where corruption is normal, Spain, Portugal, Greece, France with 2 Prime Ministers (Juppe and Chirac) and 4 Ministers convicted of corruption. The list goes on. Our politicians are pretty straight and the sums involved are peanuts.

I know an Italian who went to prison for bribing a government minister to get a big contract. He got a fast track appeal after a week in jail and had the conviction quashed by bribing the appeal court judge. Our government and judiciary are saints in comparison to the rest of the world. Some people at not like there being rich people running the country, but it has the advantage that people of independent means are much less likely to be susceptible to corruption. It is one of the reasons, that most corruption at the local council level over the years has involved Labour councils,