Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Freedom of movement reform 'on the table' for Brexit talks, suggests French minister as he breaks ranks with rest of EU



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/30/freedom-of-movement-reform-on-the-table-for-brexit-talks-suggest/

As much as the EU says they won't do any deals on free movement ,i think they might with us and the rest of Europe in time ,they don't want any other countries leaving .
Maybe the UK leaving could kick start a renegotiation of free movement with other countries.

I see your point, jimmy, but if they are too soft with us on this ' free movement' topic and give us a really good deal, then other countries are going to be queuing up to leave the EU too.

When I voted to 'Leave', I actually wanted to stay in the EU - but I did clearly recognise, that to change how it was being run, even from within, was utterly impossible. It is NOT a DEMOCRATIC institution.

I think Britain did have to actually vote to Leave to give things a bit of a shake up.

So....Four days after Brexit, is there any way back?

FT article: Can Brexit be stopped?

The article ends with:

Anything is possible

So pro-Europeans should give up? No. So long as a British government does not trigger Article 50, Britain remains an EU member. The political forces unleashed by this referendum are unprecedented and unpredictable. It is far from fanciful to imagine that the next two years or so will see the complete recasting of the nation’s politics, quite possibly with the creation of a new, centrist, pro-European party. So those who want Britain to stay close to its own continent could think the unthinkable and work to make it thinkable.

1 down (France). 26 to go (the rest of the EU).

French say Britain could have a Trade and Borders Deal

I saw that French minister that Max has posted the link to above on Newsnight Exec and my point is maybe it's possible that other countries such as NL ,Sweden ,even France have had enough of free movement .
If any other country were to start making serious noises about a referendum maybe the EU would sit down and discuss free movement rather than see the EU come apart.
Just a thought .

You have kind of posted what i was trying to get at above Exec.

That might be their pre negotiating bluster, when its said that they won't want
to give the other 27 countries the idea that leaving would give them the same
deal as those staying in...

It should be a RED LINE by those who are doing the negotiating for Brexit, that
that's what it is on the matter of free movement being a condition on any trade
deal, and its made plain that controlling our borders and choosing who is allowed
to come to this country is paramount.

If anyone says its not possible, Canadians do NOT have free movement into the EU,
and they have a very good free trade agreement.....

Free movement is what the EU uses to scatter the lesser type of person onto richer countries to take pressure off their home country , therefor trying to equalise the EU over a period of time .They have had ample time to suggest reform and lost one Nation because of this . I wouldn't pin my hopes on anything coming out of these tactics that are showing up daily . They lost but are trying a back door attempt to stay .

Canada has a good free trade agreement with the EU in principle.. It still has to be agreed by the Council and Parliament.
What is interesting is that it was agreed subsequent to a report "Assessing the Costs and Benefits of a Closer EU-Canada Economic Partnership" which was released in October 2008.
Now there is no doubt that a similar study (does it need a study?) would come to the same conclusion with regards to the UK:EU. But the process is so slow and cumbersome. As I've said before, you can't manage a business by committee. In the case of the EU, there are 27 countries, most with an economy smaller than London, that must have their say.

So we were informed the other day that there 'is' intentions to have
a european army, its being reported today that the EU is now speeding
up the accession of Turkey..

More lies are now being disclosed every day...

It's the quiet ones you have to watch out for....


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/30/the-stunning-ruthlessness-of-michael-gove-destroyed-david-camero/

Boris Johnson NOT for the Tory leadership he has just said

Yes BoJo drops out of leadership contest..He'l join up with gove..

Trust the EU at your peril , and their supporters too .

the fight now from

The sick Teresa v the back stabber Michael

Boris is not liked by the Conservative MPs which is why he is not standing. He wouldn't have been one of the last two to be put to the wider membership.

Gove is not liked by the wider public, Liam Fox is regarded as weak by the Conservative MPs.

It has to be May.

I thought Boris was the suitable standard bearer of the lemmings in the tory party.

What ho Jeeves?

Haze,

Why don't you throw your hat in the ring?

I hope Boris backs May.