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THE TALK TO YOURSELF THREAD. (NOWT)     

goldfinger - 09 Jun 2005 12:25

Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

goldfinger - 06 Apr 2014 13:19 - 39279 of 81564

The truth about the Tory Party’s cover up of its links to paedophilia
05
Saturday
Apr 2014
Posted by Tom Pride in cynicism



According to the Daily Mail, Labour should apologise for its supposed links in the 1970s to the Paedophile Information Exchange.

Not a squeak from the Mail or any of the other right-wing press about the Tory Party’s links to paedophiles though.

And I’m not just talking about Savile’s frequent social visits to Thatcher at Number 10 when she was Prime Minister.

It’s been revealed recently that Savile was not a lone abuser. He was part of a paedophile ring based in the Scarborough and Whitby area. One of the leading members of the ring has been revealed by a local newspaper to be a senior local Conservative politician, Mayor and Councillor Peter Jaconnelli.

But don’t expect to read much about that in the mainstream media. Because the cover up of Tory Party connections to paedophilia in general has been going on for decades.

In 1983, when Lord Carrington became Secretary General of NATO, there was considerable disquiet in the US about a paedophile scandal involving Carrington’s close associates - which the Americans were worried could bring the organisation into disrepute.

But we didn’t hear much about that in the mainstream media either.

Also way back in the 80s, Tory MP Geoffrey Dickens gave Home Secretary Leon Brittan a dossier that included evidence of senior Tory Party members’ – as well as other powerful establishment figures – involvement in a paedophile ring.

Brittan however apparently ‘lost’ the dossier.

Something which was also not widely reported.

heath savile

And Edwina Currie stated in her autobiography that Peter Morrison – deputy chairman of the Conservative Party from 1986 – was ’well known’ for regularly having sex with 16 year-old-boys. But despite his crimes being well-known by senior members of the Tory Party, Morrison was only ever cautioned once by the police and never faced charges.

Or in other words, the scandal was hushed up.

Even the present Foreign Secretary, William Hague was accused of stifling an investigation in the 90s into the infamous North Wales child abuse scandal.

hague savile

And Lord McAlpine’s cousin, James ‘Jimmie’ McAlpine – who was almost certainly the man who abused children in North Wales children’s homes - was a major Tory Party donor through his building firm Alfred McAlpine Ltd.

But recently, we’ve learnt of even more links between Savile and the Tory Party.

Savile – who was bizarrely put in charge of Broadmoor hospital by the Thatcher government after a series of strikes there by staff – had his lifelong friend Alan Franey made Chief Executive of the hospital. Franey resigned in 1997 after allegations that a child pornography ring was operating at Broadmoor.

Franey has always had close connections with the Conservative Party and is now a Tory Councillor in Buckinghamshire.

And Labour MP Tom Watson has also said publicly that the Conservatives tried to cover up the case of paedophile diplomat Sir Peter Hayman.

But the cover up is still going on today.

We’ve been waiting for the best part of 2 years for the ‘imminent’ arrest of a ‘former senior Tory cabinet minister’ in connection with paedophilia allegations. Judging by past form – we might be waiting for a long, long time.

So don’t go holding your breath now.

Fred1new - 06 Apr 2014 14:13 - 39280 of 81564

UMMMMH

As I wrote earlier I think the next General Election will be the dirtiest election in current memory. (That was before the introduction of Bingo Crosby.)

I hope the Labour party are preparing posters point out the lies of the present administration and manipulation of data and failure of many of their ideological policies leading to destruction of social cohesion.

I would prefer it based on the contents Post 39280 and similar distortions of facts by the Nastiest government I can remember.

However, when Labour are elected I hope that they will hold an enquiry into the corruption and misuse of power under previous governments and the use of position to suppress information of criminal activity. (It seems that MM was attempting to do this, and appears to some that Cameron is condoning her actions.)

(Also, into the misuse of UK and EU expenses for political propaganda, as has be intimated that Fauxpage and other leading politicians are doing.)


Also, into ongoing abuse of expenses, corrupt attaining of contracts or financial support to business by future donors to the Nasty Party's coffers. The recent Royal Mail flog off has a very peculiar stench to it.

Also, think there should be a full independent enquiry into the allegations in P39281.

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Sometimes, I think for politicians, "climbing the greasy pole" means clinging to the shittiest pole as is being exemplified by Wavy Dave the beetroot more and more.

Having written that, isn't IDS becoming more and more an embarrassment.

goldfinger - 06 Apr 2014 14:18 - 39281 of 81564

"Nastiest government I can remember"........ends


Ill second that.

Haystack - 06 Apr 2014 14:30 - 39282 of 81564

Why today is so important

Today is an important day for Britain.

As of today, the Conservatives are cutting the jobs tax so over a million businesses will pay up to £2,000 less tax, including 400,000 small businesses that will pay no jobs tax at all.

That means businesses will have extra money to create jobs – so more hardworking people will get the financial security a pay packet brings.

That’s not all. Today we’re also cutting income tax for over 25 million people, saving the typical taxpayer £705 and taking over three million working people out of income tax altogether.

You will keep more of the money you earn and hardworking families will be more financially secure.

Today’s tax cuts are only possible because of our long-term economic plan – a plan with hardworking people at its heart.

Labour have no plan – and would wreck the economy with more spending, more borrowing and more taxes.

That’s why it’s vital that we carry on working through our plan to build a stronger economy and secure a better future for Britain.

Haystack - 06 Apr 2014 14:31 - 39283 of 81564

The biggest business and personal tax cuts for a generation

This week sees the biggest business and personal tax cuts for a generation. The vital changes we’re introducing – paid for by cutting spending - will create more jobs and give more people the security of a pay packet each month.

We’re backing businesses by cutting their taxes so they can create more jobs:

The ‘jobs tax’ (Employer National Insurance Contributions) is being cut by up to £2,000 - benefiting over 1.25 million employers, over 90 per cent of which are small businesses
Corporation tax is being cut to the lowest rate in the G7
We’re helping the high street with a £1,000 discount on business rates for retail properties
Tax on business investment is being virtually abolished for most businesses

We’re cutting income tax and freezing fuel duty to help hardworking people be more financially secure:

By increasing the amount you can earn before you start paying tax, we’re cutting income tax for 25 million people, with 2.7 million now taken out of income tax altogether
We’ve cancelled Labour’s planned rises in fuel duty – saving the average driver £7 every time you fill up

At the same time, our welfare changes are getting people off welfare and back into work.

Our long-term economic plan is building a more resilient economy for the future, and a more financially secure future for hardworking people and their families.

Haystack - 06 Apr 2014 14:32 - 39284 of 81564

BUDGET 2014: Giving security to Britain’s hardworking families

The 2014 Budget continues our long-term economic plan to give financial security to Britain’s hardworking families.

The Budget helps people who work hard and do the right thing by:

Cutting income tax for over 25 million people – so low- and middle-earners have more money in their pocket and more security
Giving pensioners more freedom and flexibility over their pensions – so they can enjoy peace of mind and security in retirement
Cutting taxes on savings to support people who do the right thing - and help them provide for their family’s future
Supporting manufacturing and backing business by cutting energy bills and increasing investment
Cutting the bingo tax and taking a penny off the price of a pint – to protect communities and local jobs
Building more homes and extending the Help to Buy scheme – to help hardworking people achieve their dream of buying their own home

The 2014 budget has hardworking people at its heart – and continues our long-term economic plan to build a stronger, more competitive economy.

The biggest risk to the economy is Labour’s demands for more borrowing, more spending and more taxes – for which hardworking people would pay.

Only the Conservatives have a long-term economic plan for a stronger economy and a better future.

goldfinger - 06 Apr 2014 15:26 - 39285 of 81564

Hays the electorate dont agree................

electionista ‏@electionista
UK - YouGov/Sun poll:

CON 32%
LAB 38%
LDEM 10%
UKIP 13%

Haystack - 06 Apr 2014 15:40 - 39286 of 81564

Helping families with the cost of childcare

The Conservatives are helping mums and dads with the cost of childcare – so families feel more financially secure.

We’re increasing our tax-free childcare scheme from £1,200 to up to £2,000 a year per child.

We’re also extending the scheme from under-7s to all children under 12.

So from next September, almost two million working parents will qualify for tax-free childcare.

The difficult decisions we’ve taken as part of our long-term economic plan mean we can help families where both parents, or a single parent, work – so they enjoy a more financially secure future and the peace of mind that their children are being cared for.

Haystack - 06 Apr 2014 15:41 - 39287 of 81564

Update - Labour lead at 5
by YouGov in Politics
Sun April 6, 2014 6 a.m. BST

Latest YouGov / Sunday Times results 4th April - Con 34%, Lab 39%, LD 9%, UKIP 12%;

goldfinger - 06 Apr 2014 15:41 - 39288 of 81564

And lets just remember on this day who was responsible for the 2007-2012 crisis.

In the UK, Big Bang became one of the cornerstones of the Thatcher government's reform programme.

Although the "Big Bang" eased stock market transactions there is a debate in the UK about how far it affected the 2007–2012 global financial crisis. In 2010, Nigel Lawson, Thatcher's Chancellor at the time, appeared on the Analysis program to discuss banking reform, explaining that the 2007–2012 global financial crisis was an unintended consequence of the "Big Bang". He said that UK investment banks, previously very cautious with what was their own money, had merged with high street banks putting depositors' savings at risk and ...according to the program leading US banks to follow suit...........................ends

So their you have it in the words of the Tory Chancelor Nigel Lawson the economic crisis was a side effect of Tory Thatcher policy in deregulating banks.

Couldnt be clearer than that.

Haystack - 06 Apr 2014 15:57 - 39289 of 81564

It’s official: Labour won’t give you a referendum on Europe

Ed Miliband has made his position crystal clear – there will be no referendum on Europe under Labour.

Our relationship with Europe isn’t working and needs to change.

Unlike Labour, the Conservatives have a plan to negotiate a better deal for Britain in Europe then let the British people decide in an in-out referendum by the end of 2017.

Only the Conservatives will guarantee and deliver that referendum. Labour and the Lib Dems won’t and UKIP can’t.

Haystack - 06 Apr 2014 15:58 - 39290 of 81564

goldfinger - 06 Apr 2014 17:09 - 39291 of 81564

LOL no they wont because they wont be elected in 2015.

Hays are you meaning in about 50 years time?????????????

Haystack - 06 Apr 2014 17:41 - 39292 of 81564

How do you spend the same pot of money ten times?

Today Labour announced a new policy that’s paid for by a tax on bankers. But this is the TENTH time they’ve pledged to use a tax on banks and bankers to pay for an election promise.

That means Labour are either spending the same pot of money ten times over or admitting to breaking nine previous promises to spend the money elsewhere.

Either way, it’s more proof that Labour have no credibility on the economy.

Before today’s announcement, Labour had already spent a banks tax on:

1) Reversing the VAT increase – £13.5 billion

2) Increasing capital spending – £5.8 billion

3) Reversing Child Benefit savings – £3.1 billion

4) Reversing Tax Credit savings – £5.8 billion

5) Increasing the Regional Growth Fund – £200 million

6) Cutting the deficit – billions

7) Turning empty shops into community centres – £5 million

8) Spending on public services – billions

9) Building more housing – £1.2 billion

Labour’s sums don’t add up.

The only way they could pay for all these promises would be to borrow more and tax more – which would wreck the recovery and make hardworking families less financially secure.

Only the Conservatives have a long-term plan to secure a stronger economy and a better future.

Labour would ruin the progress we’ve made as a country together. They wrecked the economy once – don’t let them do it agai

Fred1new - 06 Apr 2014 17:56 - 39293 of 81564

Hazy one,

Are you a member of a hard working family or just breeding stock, or perhaps more likely a . lazy idle . .

Leaving the EU, is a pipe dream and many of those promulgating tory con artist rubbish in hope of withdrawing from the organisation are possibly more interested in hiding ill-gotten gains, on which they have avoided tax away from inspection.

Others, spouting the chants of “little Englanders” are just hoping to divest themselves of Cameron and his maladministration before the next election, which they realise he has not got a cat in hells chance of winning.

The nasty party is becoming laughing stock and can’t even run itself let alone the country.

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Fred1new - 06 Apr 2014 17:56 - 39294 of 81564

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dreamcatcher - 06 Apr 2014 18:12 - 39295 of 81564

Cash Isas - I see the cash allowance is £5940. My question is from July 1 it will be £15,000, so can the initial £5940 be topped up to £15,000 on the 1 July or do you wait till july 1 to purchase a £15,000 isa. Do not want to open one at present and not be able to top it up. Any ideas ?


dreamcatcher - 06 Apr 2014 18:17 - 39296 of 81564

Found the answer - The ISA will become a NISA from 1 July with a higher allowance of £15,000 – when all can be put into cash. But don’t let that put you off opening an ISA now. You can use this year’s allowance of £5,940 and then top it up to £15,000 come July.

goldfinger - 06 Apr 2014 18:45 - 39297 of 81564

Hays says labour throw money away.

How is it then that the Tories have racked up more debt in 4 years than Labour did in 13 years.

HAYS.......answer please??????????????????????

goldfinger - 06 Apr 2014 18:46 - 39298 of 81564

Breaking News......

Norman Tebbit says Maria Miller should be sacked.

He calls her arrogant.
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