Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

You have kind of posted what i was trying to get at above Exec.

That might be their pre negotiating bluster, when its said that they won't want
to give the other 27 countries the idea that leaving would give them the same
deal as those staying in...

It should be a RED LINE by those who are doing the negotiating for Brexit, that
that's what it is on the matter of free movement being a condition on any trade
deal, and its made plain that controlling our borders and choosing who is allowed
to come to this country is paramount.

If anyone says its not possible, Canadians do NOT have free movement into the EU,
and they have a very good free trade agreement.....

Free movement is what the EU uses to scatter the lesser type of person onto richer countries to take pressure off their home country , therefor trying to equalise the EU over a period of time .They have had ample time to suggest reform and lost one Nation because of this . I wouldn't pin my hopes on anything coming out of these tactics that are showing up daily . They lost but are trying a back door attempt to stay .

Canada has a good free trade agreement with the EU in principle.. It still has to be agreed by the Council and Parliament.
What is interesting is that it was agreed subsequent to a report "Assessing the Costs and Benefits of a Closer EU-Canada Economic Partnership" which was released in October 2008.
Now there is no doubt that a similar study (does it need a study?) would come to the same conclusion with regards to the UK:EU. But the process is so slow and cumbersome. As I've said before, you can't manage a business by committee. In the case of the EU, there are 27 countries, most with an economy smaller than London, that must have their say.

So we were informed the other day that there 'is' intentions to have
a european army, its being reported today that the EU is now speeding
up the accession of Turkey..

More lies are now being disclosed every day...

It's the quiet ones you have to watch out for....


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/30/the-stunning-ruthlessness-of-michael-gove-destroyed-david-camero/

Boris Johnson NOT for the Tory leadership he has just said

Yes BoJo drops out of leadership contest..He'l join up with gove..

Trust the EU at your peril , and their supporters too .

the fight now from

The sick Teresa v the back stabber Michael

Boris is not liked by the Conservative MPs which is why he is not standing. He wouldn't have been one of the last two to be put to the wider membership.

Gove is not liked by the wider public, Liam Fox is regarded as weak by the Conservative MPs.

It has to be May.

I thought Boris was the suitable standard bearer of the lemmings in the tory party.

What ho Jeeves?

Haze,

Why don't you throw your hat in the ring?

I hope Boris backs May.

Are we sort of suspended from voting or using our veto now Haystack , could we threaten to stop a lot of plans the EU has , lets say if Turkey is asked to join can we veto it still .

We can still veto anything until we leave. Turkey aren't going to leave. There are at least 6 countries that will veto Turkey. It would take years for Turkey to be in any sort of financial position to join. Cameron was telling the truth.

No mater how much Haystack claims Turkey are not going to join
the EU, the evidence points to they're...And the EU have ways of
persuading the doubters to their way of thinking...

re - Theresa May

May say: she can handle and fix anything and everything on today's speech BUT bring emigration down

Or even wishes to bring immigration down....

She's been a failure at the home office, in all probability she'l be a failure
as PM...

There is no evidence that Turkey is going to join the EU. They have been trying since 1985 and are no further forward. Their economy can't meet the convergence criteria on tax, budgets, interest rates, inflation. Their human rights are also a problem. It is the work of a generation at least to fix these problems. The EU is dangling a carrot to Turkey so that they will behave better. In fact they are behaving worse with a virtual dicatator now.