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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Fred1new - 19 Jan 2009 11:53 - 395 of 6906

MrCharts, I think it is time to wait. If Israel government behaves with it usual dishonesty and ongoing humanitarian abuses, this will be a temporary lull only.

Israel is losing any respect the world had for it, by its recent actions.

I think you are naive to think otherwise.

Take your tinted glasses off and look around.

Gausie - 19 Jan 2009 11:54 - 396 of 6906

MrC - what an awful video. Fred - is it staged?

MrCharts - 19 Jan 2009 12:03 - 397 of 6906

I said earlier that you can debate with the rational, but not with the irrational.....so there is no point bothering.

Gausie,
Some will say it was an evil plot by the evil Israelis who probably kidnapped those little children and forced them at the point of a bayonet to support Hamas and hate Jews. And, no doubt, they butchered the children afterwards.
Such is blind hatred and prejudice.

tyketto - 19 Jan 2009 12:11 - 398 of 6906

Heard the news, in the last hour,
Hamas claim 48 of their people died
in the few last weeks.

hilary - 19 Jan 2009 12:14 - 399 of 6906

Could something be done to alter the size of that massive image please? Maybe include a link to it for anybody wishing to view it across 12 monitors.

Gausie - 19 Jan 2009 12:18 - 400 of 6906

tyketto - you believe it?

Fred1new - 19 Jan 2009 12:18 - 401 of 6906

Hilary, You can change the image Israel is portraying to the World.

But I suppose you can turn a blind eye to it, when it doesn't suit you.

Gausie - 19 Jan 2009 12:22 - 402 of 6906

comical_ali.jpg

Hamas have claimed that they 'won' and that they only lost 48 terrorists.

Must be the regional way of 'telling it like it is'.

The sad thing is that people like Fred will believe them.

tyketto - 19 Jan 2009 12:25 - 403 of 6906

Out of about 1200 dead?
I wouldn't take any bets.

rawdm999 - 19 Jan 2009 12:36 - 404 of 6906

Taken me a while to catch up.

So we now have a ceasefire. How long will it last?

Here is a question to the people who complain about America supplying Israel with its weaponry.

Would they prefer Israel strike 'enemy' targets with precision guided weapons or should Israel save some money and buy the Katyusha's of Iran & co then pack them full of steel ball bearings and drop them anywhere for maximum carnage?

Consider what the death toll have been if Israel used the same missiles Hamas use and i'm sticking to my point that Israel was not the only side to cause 'innocent' palestinian casulaties. Apparently, the Israelis dropped 'get out of here now' leaflets before the bombing runs but Hamas wouldn't let civililains leave the target area! Now that is a war crime.

MrCharts - 19 Jan 2009 12:54 - 405 of 6906

They not only dropped leaflets telling people to get out of a specific area, they also phoned all the landline and cell phone numbers they had of people who they knew lived in houses with tunnels, explosives etc in them, telling them to get out.
There are also videos of helos aborting missions where they could see Hamas hiding behind children or running into groups of non-combatants.
How do I know?
No, not Israeli "propaganda" or "lies".
I've seen all those things on Al Jazeera TV !!!
There has been some bias on Al Jazeera certainly, but a lot less than on BBC and Channel 4 !!!
Richard

hilary - 19 Jan 2009 13:14 - 406 of 6906

I'm not turning a blind eye to anything, Fred, but I happen to think that Israel have a right to defend themselves if they are under attack and that's as far as it goes. As others have said before, Hamas could have stopped firing the rockets. Also, I really don't see how something that happened 50 or 60 years ago is relevant now a couple of generations on.

In short, it's not something that I'm bothered about unless it affects the price of oil and it hasn't done that which says the market couldn't care less about it either. If you wish to bang on about it, then it's your prerogative and you've a right to do so. Equally, if people don't like your views, then you have to accept their comments. Clearly your condescending attitude has indicated that you aren't happy to accept other people's differing views, as Isaacs and I have both tried to point out to you previously.

Btw, I thought you'd squelched me.

rawdm999 - 19 Jan 2009 13:25 - 407 of 6906

Ah! Al Jazeera - a breath of fresh air when compared to our media. Balanced reporting.

Didn't know that about the aborted missions, interesting.

riccardo1986 - 19 Jan 2009 14:09 - 408 of 6906

Ah! Al Jazeera - a breath of fresh air when compared to our media. Balanced reporting.

yeah, it must be a cospiricy of our anti semetic media as is everything or everyone that dosent agree 100% with israel, lol

boxerdog - 19 Jan 2009 14:30 - 409 of 6906


Israel are the true allies of the modern civilised world and should be supported in their quest to resolve law and order and also to defend themselves from any fanatical faction or country determined to harm them.
Europe including the UK, and any developed nation wanting long lasting peace should aid and support Israel in the fight agains terrorism.
Israel are our first line of defence against such enemies of peace and democracy. Stick that in your pipe a smoke it Fred!!!!.

MrCharts - 19 Jan 2009 14:36 - 410 of 6906

"Stick that in your pipe a smoke it Fred!!!!. "

He's already in a cloud of smoke and fog, what we used to call smog, so he can't see anything beyond his outstretched pointed finger.

Fred1new - 19 Jan 2009 14:57 - 411 of 6906

The UN has already condemned israel. I will await the following inquiry.

rawdm999 - 19 Jan 2009 15:05 - 412 of 6906

Fred, as i asked before, do you think the UN SC would condemn Israel if Israel was given the opportunity to join the club? Its politics, all politics.

boxerdog - 19 Jan 2009 15:07 - 413 of 6906


Didn't the UN also condemn GB & US for their invasion of Iraq ? not much credibility there then Freddie.

Isaacs - 19 Jan 2009 15:12 - 414 of 6906

Many of the UN members should perhaps focus on their own problems first. China for instance, a SC permanent member, is believed to use the death penalty on 10,000 people per year and you can guarantee they are not getting a fair trial. Purely in terms of loss of human life a much bigger problem than 1,000 killed in Gaza. Then of course a myriad of major human rights abuses throughout the country. Perhaps the United Nations should turn its attention to China?
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