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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

iturama - 30 Jun 2016 12:57 - 3954 of 12628

Having said that, she did play a Clinton by being keeping her head below the parapet during the Brexit fight. Conscientious objector?
On balance I prefer Gove. He is very smart and comes across as being very sincere. Unusual for a politician. And behind every successful man is a successful woman - in his case Sarah Vine.

Haystack - 30 Jun 2016 13:02 - 3955 of 12628

The public hate Gove as much as Hunt due to his schools changes. He may get elected leader but can't win a GE.

iturama - 30 Jun 2016 13:09 - 3956 of 12628

You do generalise Hays. Your views are not necessarily that of the public. He hardly turned away "the public" from Brexit. As for the ECHR, it is accepted by virtually all, including Russia. The USA has the greatest problem with it. The ECJ is another matter.

Fred1new - 30 Jun 2016 13:13 - 3957 of 12628

Haze,

How long is your tongue?

Haystack - 30 Jun 2016 13:13 - 3958 of 12628

Gove didn't win the Brexit. It was Boris. Certainly teachers and parents hate Gove. May has the most support among Conservative MPs. Don't forget that the majority of Conservative MPs were Remainers and want a remain PM.

jimmy b - 30 Jun 2016 13:18 - 3959 of 12628

Gove played a huge part in winning Brexit ,your wrong there Haystack.

iturama - 30 Jun 2016 13:25 - 3960 of 12628

We won Brexit. As for the majority of MPs supporting Remain, they were on the wrong side of history. Including Theresa May. They'd better get over it. We will not allow backsliding.

iturama - 30 Jun 2016 13:27 - 3961 of 12628

And Theresa May is my MP and I have always voted for her.

Haystack - 30 Jun 2016 13:28 - 3962 of 12628

Then you live near cynic

Haystack - 30 Jun 2016 13:29 - 3963 of 12628

There is plenty of time yet for stitch ups in the leadership campaign. It happened last time.

iturama - 30 Jun 2016 13:30 - 3964 of 12628

No, he lives near me. :) I think he is in Marlow and I am in Bray.

iturama - 30 Jun 2016 13:32 - 3965 of 12628

He has Steve Redgrave as a neighbour while I have Michael Parkinson and (did have) Rolf Harris. I think I will move to Marlow...

Haystack - 30 Jun 2016 13:32 - 3966 of 12628

I know Bray. I have eaten at the Waterside Inn.

jimmy b - 30 Jun 2016 13:36 - 3967 of 12628

As long as it's not Bob Geldof .

grannyboy - 30 Jun 2016 13:38 - 3968 of 12628

Haystack is one of those who has his head stuck up his arse..

mentor - 30 Jun 2016 13:43 - 3969 of 12628

Someone was surprise of Boris decision?

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grannyboy - 30 Jun 2016 13:44 - 3970 of 12628

Haystack(3958) "Gove didn't win the Brexit. It was Boris."

No they didn't, it was Nigel Farage....Until Nigel Farage came into the limelight, the LEAVE side were begining to go backwards..Once Nigel Farage came to the fore it started going in the LEAVE sides favour.....YIIPPPPPEEEEE... c'on Nige!!!..

Haystack - 30 Jun 2016 13:52 - 3971 of 12628

Farage was instrumental in getting the referendum, but was pretty useless during it by alienating a lot of the public with his extremism. A very unpleasant person.

jimmy b - 30 Jun 2016 13:52 - 3972 of 12628

Without Nigel there would never have been a referendum .

Fred1new - 30 Jun 2016 13:52 - 3973 of 12628

The tory party reminds me of:

"in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king".

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Dumbo,

Why don't you stand for leader and PM?

You would go down a bomb.


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Where is Nigel when he is wanted?



Gloating at his success.


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