Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Servant Voice is an Anagram for Conservative, this pretty much sums up David Cameron's 'leadership'...

sticky .... you're the one who is hopping up and down, not me .....

and if you drag in a load of substandard doctors and consultants - an awful lot of the best in uk are actually indian/asian or similar heritage - you'll be the first to leap about when the treatment they dish out is not as hoped (always assuming they haven't chopped off your leg instead of treating your toenail; suppose you could still hop about)

by the way, good uk consultants have plenty of private work to keep themselves occupied in uk, so no need for them to emigrate

Shortie
That would be because Cameron is the servant of the people.

You mean the servant of his back benches. ...........and Nigel F.

'The People' is a very generalistic term Hays, which people does he serve? Last time I looked it wasn't my people or class.

Ive always said some of the best consultants and doctors in the UK are Indian/Asian heritage.

Cyners your getting your knickers in a twist again.

Im just anti private health and education.

And I dont care how much money a person as it does NOT give them the right to 'que jump' hence my dislike of private health and education.

ps, I notice you use the NHS when its to your advantage, ie, that time you rang NHS direct just to make sure you were ok before you went off on holiday.

there is a diff argument i guess re queue jumping (health) and less tenably private education
that said, i still pay (i don't at my age, but the company still does) for both the NHS and state education, so there is a very valid argument that i am depriving no one at all; indeed very much the opposite

fyi, though i have PPP (for which i pay great sums), i only use private dentistry, which of course is not covered by PPP but which i think is worth every penny

i think i have only claimed on PPP twice - once for a bit of surgery and on another occasion for something more long term (and it was well worth having paid the premium)

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by the way, re my NHS visit, as you would have said in other circumstances, "well why the hell shouldn't you? you've been paying for it all your working life"

I have private medical care for my family, I see my local GP and should I require I can get refferred to a private consultant... Your right, it allows me to que jump NHS waiting lists and receive better care and treatments than on the NHS. I see nothing wrong with this, I still contribute to the NHS in the same way any other tax paying person does. Its the lost contributions and the time wasters that pull the service down, this is what going private ultimatly avoids.

Manuel,

Because many part timers in the NHS are not providing the duties they are paid for by the NHS due to their other commitments. Also, they are using the NHS for their training purposes and the some part timers stay in the NHS because of its advertising potential for their private practices.

you know that for a fact?

part timers
i bet many part-time doctors are working mothers who have taken permitted and NHS-paid maternity leave and then returned, often to complete their training, and are also permitted by the system to work just part-time


not working as paid for
oh really?
so where's the system and quality control that allows such abuse, and waste of money?

GF.

At the time of the next elections I hope labour and the parties other than the very nasty lying party put on the hoardings the list of Camerons ill-thoughout policies he lied about and U-turn upon.

Also the constant manipulation (lying) of the economic data.

The ongoing failures of the NHS and the break down of education (Schools and Universities and the Academic Research)

I hope that labour or a coalition government hold a public enquiry into the activities and financing, failures and collusion with business of the present torid party.

Manuel,

You are out of your depth.

I have a good working and observational knowledge of the NHS and private practice and its day to day management.

Fred - Hope planted a feather and thought a chicken would grow.:-)

Wow, I don't think the NHS is an ongoing failure, quite the opposite... Not sure how anyone could believe there's been a breakdown of education either.

Sure activities of the parties and further enquiry into financing is needed but I doubt we'll ever see full transparency.

so answer the questions then as you have pretensions to such a fund of knowledge

at least i have first-hand knowledge, so though i profess no great depth, at least i know what i write has unbiased truth attaching

Queue jumping with money happens in all walks of life. More money often produces better service and that is just a fact of life. People get pompous when it involves education or health. In fact the money takes the burden off public services. Even if you stop private education then people will buy houses close to the best schools and there is nothing you can do stop it. Near me there is a school which is possibly the best state school in London. The result is that houses are £2m+ in the catchment area. The catchment is just 500 yards from the school as a result. Every house close to the school has a family with children at the school. The houses opposite the school are £3m+.

fred+sticky - do you fly? ...... if so, do you pre-book your seat? ...... if not, is that because you are too mean, don't care if you sit at the very back of the plane so take an age to get through immigration, or have moral scruples (queue jumping) about paying a few pennies more for a decent seat (ideally an exit row)?

Maybe then I should try and poach the Head and some teachers for my local school.. It would do wonders for the price of my house as a result!!

It isn't all to do with the school. The parents clearly have money to live there. They care about education because that is why they moved there. The quality of the school and their exam success is a self fulkfilkibg prophecy as the kids are expected to well and there are no difficult kids in the school. A lit of the chattering classes live here plus a large number of actors and musicians.

When their kids have taken their exams the parents move and take their profit and a new load move in. That way they get a public school quality education for free.

RAF Typhoons being moved to Eastern Europe together with other NATO assets.