Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Someone was surprise of Boris decision?

Haystack(3958) "Gove didn't win the Brexit. It was Boris."

No they didn't, it was Nigel Farage....Until Nigel Farage came into the limelight, the LEAVE side were begining to go backwards..Once Nigel Farage came to the fore it started going in the LEAVE sides favour.....YIIPPPPPEEEEE... c'on Nige!!!..

Farage was instrumental in getting the referendum, but was pretty useless during it by alienating a lot of the public with his extremism. A very unpleasant person.

Without Nigel there would never have been a referendum .

The tory party reminds me of:

"in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king".

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Dumbo,

Why don't you stand for leader and PM?

You would go down a bomb.


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Where is Nigel when he is wanted?



Gloating at his success.

Instrumental ? Haystack what are you talking about ,without Farage there would NEVER have been a referendum at least give him that even if you don't like him.

There has been anti EU pressure in the Conservative party even while Thatcher was in power. It increased during Major's period and even more under Cameron. Farage was the catalyst to bring it to a referendum.

Yes he's got a lot to gloat at...

And more silliness from the Tory old boys club member haystack..

Far from alienating the public, it was Nigel Farage that solidified the
LEAVE vote...YOU don't or won't except that fact haystack, but its the
truth...

I agree but no Tory gov would have called a referendum ,it was Farage who got it for us.

It was won despite Farage. A lot of people voted for remain because they couldn't vote with Farage as he is racist.

Rubbish , he just saved Great Britain .

That's the view from Con central office.

Gove should walk it, who cares what con central office wants?

The object is to leave, and no luke warm eurista will provide that.

Gove could still get stitched up. He may not make it to the final two. The majority of Conservative MPs are remain supporters. They could choose to vote in higher numbers for two remain candidates.

It is the Conservatives that will choose the final two to put to party members in the constituencies. Luckily, the Conservative party has sensible rules. You can only vote in a leadership contest if you have been a party member for 3 months.

Boris didn't get enough votes from the Remain Conservative MPs to get elected. The same could happen to Gove.

"Having consulted colleagues and in view of the circumstances in parliament I have concluded that person cannot be me."

You don't think an ex coal miner or an ex docker or a Labourer on a building
site, or an old Labour voter, voted for BoJo or Gove do YOU?!!!

If you do, you're deluded.......

Off to the Henley regatta. See some great river rowing.

Of course they voted for them, but it was Boris that swung it. Gove may not get to the final two so it may be academic. The Conservative MP remainers may make sure a remainer gets the job.

If May does win the PM vote, then the EU debate will still continue to
split the Tory's...

The Eurosceptics won't be pleased....

Haystacks you might know the ins and outs of the tory party membership rules
but that's about all...You know frick all about the ordinary man/woman in the
street...